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Topic: Is macroevolution a religion? Should we rename it evolutiontarianism?

JonF

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Message 4 of 112 (89615)
03-01-2004 4:06 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by kendemyer
03-01-2004 3:01 PM

even the evolutionist Behe cannot escape the academic Taliban's wrath and he is censored

Indeed? What eveidence do you have for this assertion? What papers has Behe submitted that have been rejected without reasonable cause? What journals?

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Message 8 of 112 (89671)
03-01-2004 9:11 PM

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03-01-2004 9:07 PM

Re: what is PC?

I saw a letter that Behe published on the internet where one scientific journal where Behe exchanged several letters with finally said that they just do not have a tradition of publishing non evolutionist material. This was some time ago and now the internet is so flooded with Behe material that I just spent a few minutes trying to find it but I had no success. Perhaps Behe pulled it off the internet because Behe no longer feels his message is not getting out in the public arena.

Sorry, that's not convinicing evidence. Your claim is still unsupported.

BTW, I've been following this debate in many forums for many years, and this is the first claim I have heard that such material exists or once existed. That makes it pretty unlikely that it ever existed.

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Message 30 of 112 (90549)
03-05-2004 2:07 PM

Reply to: Message 21 by kendemyer
03-04-2004 10:41 PM

Re: TO: schrafinator

Pasteur was a creationist and he had the great Pasteur Institute as a legacy.

I certainly don't expect any rational discussion of this from Ken, but I would like to point out that Pasteur was certainly not a creationist in the modern sense of the word, and almost certainly was not in the sense of the word in his time. Quoting John Wilkins in Re: Pasteur Safari:

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Just to follow up - a search of "Louis Pasteur evolution" via Google finds only one non-creationist comment that Pasteur was against Darwin, and it is not referenced. But we find dozens of creationist claims, not one of which makes any citation or referenced quotation to Pasteur's own work or to a reputable biography, that Pasteur was anti-Darwin and was "opposed by the biological establishment" or some such. ...

His demolition of spontaneous generation was of a particular instance - microbial spontaneous generation *with respect to disease and fermentation*. It did not rule out abiogenesis.

He was not religious, and, like many people at the time (including Darwin) made the right noises in public. ... He did not abandon the idea of evolution - so far as I can find he gave a qualified assent to it. What he rejected was the (again, pre-Darwinian) notion that microbes evolved in situ:

`Pasteur, Oeuvres, V, 101; II, 411. Pasteur only once used Darwin's name in print -- while pointing out that the belief in microbial transformism was losing ground by 1876, "in spite of the growing favor of Darwin's system." Ibid., V, 79.'" (page 409)

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Message 89 of 112 (93701)
03-21-2004 4:46 PM

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03-21-2004 4:22 PM

Re: to: Crashfrog

memory tells me that I have seen far more darwin fish than UFO bumperstickers.

Anecdotal evidence from someone with an obvious bias ... worthless.

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Message 97 of 112 (93887)
03-22-2004 3:53 PM

Reply to: Message 95 by kendemyer
03-22-2004 3:24 PM

Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion

I am looking for a better state of affairs in the future when those who oppose God are no longer in a position to have much effect on believers though

Ah, you're one of the really dangerous ones who wants to overturn the U.S. Constitution.

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