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Author Topic:   Is macroevolution a religion? Should we rename it evolutiontarianism?
kendemyer
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Message 54 of 112 (90674)
03-05-2004 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by MisterOpus1
03-05-2004 5:50 PM


Re: TO: misteropus
You can run from the abiogenesis issue but you cannot hide.
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 55 of 112 (90675)
03-05-2004 6:35 PM
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03-05-2004 5:50 PM


Re: TO: misteropus
You can run from the abiogenesis issue but you cannot hide.
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 57 of 112 (90683)
03-05-2004 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Chiroptera
03-05-2004 6:42 PM


Re: keep going, kendemyer
Usually when one builds a house he desires a firm foundation. The materialist have no foundation (e.g. origin of the univers's substance and abiogenesis) for their macroevolutionary hypothesis. In short, the are in a materialist tarpit. And the more they thrash in the tarpit the more evident it is that there is no hope available in the materialist philosophy.
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 59 of 112 (90805)
03-06-2004 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Chiroptera
03-05-2004 7:13 PM


Re: keep going, kendemyer
To previous poster:
I view the macroevolutionary hypothesis as psuedoscience that serves as materialist philosophy window dressing. I realize that some Christians have made bad judgements regarding their decision in regards to this psuedoscience. I would believe there were Jews who decided to make a golden calf, however, and I do not think God was pleased. I do realize, however, that even some agnostics like Michael Denton are beginning to wake up. As you may recall Denton wrote: Evolution: A Theory in Crises. I have heard Denton has either renounced or semi- renounced that book but I I would ask, "Which time was he right? The time he wrote the book or the time he renounced it?" Whether or not Denton renounced or semi- renounced his book I do not know.
Sincerely,
Ken
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kendemyer
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Message 61 of 112 (90820)
03-06-2004 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Chiroptera
03-06-2004 1:33 PM


Re: I'm still waiting for evidence....
TO: Chiroptera
I think I was very clear in my posting to: http://EvC Forum: Young earth creationism is valid and the macroevolutionary hypothesis is not valid -->EvC Forum: Young earth creationism is valid and the macroevolutionary hypothesis is not valid
I do not think anymore needs to be said.
Sincerely,
Ken
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kendemyer
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Message 67 of 112 (90946)
03-07-2004 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by nator
03-07-2004 10:26 AM


Re: TO: proponents of macroevolutionary hypothesis
Did the communist freely choose atheism?
There are successful Christian communes. In Israel the Jews have successful communes (called kibbutzes). Communism is made for saints of which there are few. Capitalism is made for sinners of which there are many. Communism and atheism do not mix well in history.
also whales:
Fossils | Answers in Genesis
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
To Make a Tail for a Whale | Answers in Genesis
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 69 of 112 (90951)
03-07-2004 2:16 PM


re: second law and thermodynamics and earth and open system
In regards to the second law of thermodynamics and the earth being an open system:
http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/menton/om5.htm
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 70 of 112 (90952)
03-07-2004 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Chiroptera
03-07-2004 2:10 PM


Re: the battle of the links
Re: AIG complaint
genetic logical fallacy
see:
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/genefall.html
Genetic fallacy - Wikipedia
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 76 of 112 (91682)
03-10-2004 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Loudmouth
03-08-2004 3:31 PM


Re: the battle of the links
TO: Loudmouth
If one wants to say that purely naturalistic causes created the life and that macroevolution occured you cannot run from the abiogenesis issue. It is a foundation. If the evidence is not credible that abiogenesis occured then materialism never makes it in the ballpark in order to be up at bat in regards to macroevolution. It is a sequential process. Darwin was not a abiogenesis theorist to a large degree so I know you cannot say I am using a genetic fallacy. Lastly, I really have no desire to discuss this further.
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 80 of 112 (91851)
03-11-2004 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Lindum
03-11-2004 6:00 PM


to: ALL
To: ALL
I am back.
TO: Lindum
I am expecting to answer your post in about 7-14 days.
Sincerely,
Ken
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kendemyer
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Message 81 of 112 (93545)
03-20-2004 3:22 PM


Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
I believer the darwin fish is an example that shows the evolutiontrarianism is very much a religion or at the very least like a religion. You simply do not see scientific laws, theories, or hypothesis preached on cars for the most part like you do in regards to darwin fish.
Sincerely,
Ken
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kendemyer
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Message 84 of 112 (93568)
03-20-2004 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Trixie
03-20-2004 3:50 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
To: Trixie
You are forgetting that I am ignoring you. You never go beyond vague statements, bluster, and the sidestepping of issues. I am willing to engage some others though. So far Percy gets my vote for the best post which attempted to address a post of mine although I think his post was too far reaching (Popper).
Sincerely,
Ken
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kendemyer
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Message 87 of 112 (93695)
03-21-2004 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by crashfrog
03-21-2004 3:21 AM


to: Crashfrog
I said:
"You simply do not see scientific laws, theories, or hypothesis preached on cars for the most part like you do in regards to darwin fish."
So I said:
1. Preached on cars
2. Like you do ( comparable in number, for example)
So you did you not demonstrate anything.
Darwinism is preached on cars in a much bigger way than any other pseudoscience or science issues. For example, memory tells me that I have seen far more darwin fish than UFO bumperstickers.
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 93 of 112 (93872)
03-22-2004 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by crashfrog
03-21-2004 5:16 PM


To: crashfrog
I believe you are failing to adequately address the central issue of a previous post of mine. Namely, Darwin fish do preach evolution via bumperstickers and we simply do not see this as much in other areas of alledged/real science. For example, I have never seen any of the products that were mentioned on your links. Not one! Darwin fish are fairly common though and not one person here has said, "What is a Darwin fish?". Hence, they are common.
If you want to do a poll and see how many people have seen your items that were mentioned via your links please feel free to do so. I, however, have never seen any of them.
Sincerely,
Ken
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kendemyer
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Message 95 of 112 (93879)
03-22-2004 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by MrHambre
03-22-2004 3:16 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
Mr. Hambre:
The whole world is a theocracy. God still sits on the throne although He does allow human and angelic freedom although not total freedom. I am looking for a better state of affairs in the future when those who oppose God are no longer in a position to have much effect on believers though. Ultimately though, even the unpleasant things that happen to believers (robberies, etc) can cause believers to become more like Christ if we respond to them in a judicious manner.
Sincerely,
Ken
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