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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
sensei
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Message 481 of 1104 (907481)
02-24-2023 11:26 AM
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02-24-2023 7:18 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Your question does not make any sense to me. Can you clarify?

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Message 482 of 1104 (907482)
02-24-2023 11:29 AM
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02-24-2023 11:02 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
You are quoting me where I did not speak about nested hierarchy.
So I don't see how your claims about nested hierarchy are related to what I said in your quote of me.

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Message 483 of 1104 (907489)
02-24-2023 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by sensei
02-24-2023 11:29 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes:
You are quoting me where I did not speak about nested hierarchy.
You were responding to a post about the nested hierarchy. The question still stands.
We aren't assuming a nested hierarchy. We observe a nested hierarchy. This observation is the same for everyone regardless of their position.
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Do you agree with this or not?

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AZPaul3
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Message 484 of 1104 (907494)
02-24-2023 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by sensei
02-24-2023 11:26 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
You try to deny common ancestry. You claim a nested hierarchy would not result from evolution. You claim that the observation of a nested hierarchy is erroneous.
If you are right and the nested hierarchy is not what we see, then what pattern should we find.
If your intelligent design fiat creation is right then what pattern of relatedness should we see in the fossil record?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 485 of 1104 (907556)
02-25-2023 6:22 PM
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02-24-2023 12:07 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Where have I said that your assumption was the nested hierarchy?

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Message 486 of 1104 (907557)
02-25-2023 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by AZPaul3
02-24-2023 2:10 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Wow, I have not claimed that a nested hierachy would not result from evolution. You evolutionists need to learn to read, for goodness sakes.

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AZPaul3
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Message 487 of 1104 (907569)
02-25-2023 7:29 PM
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02-25-2023 6:24 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I have not claimed that a nested hierachy would not result from evolution.
That's what I get from your posts. It is my perception and obviously differs from what's in you mind.
Please correct me.
Do you deny common ancestry?
Do you deny the strong observations of a nested hierarchy in the fossil record? Do you deny this is strong evidence of evolution?
If you deny the observation in the fossil record of a nested hierarchy then what pattern of relatedness do you see?
If your intelligent design fiat creation is right then what pattern of relatedness should we see in the fossil record?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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sensei
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Message 488 of 1104 (907570)
02-25-2023 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 7:29 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Where did you get from my posts that I claimed that a nested hierachy would not result from evolution?
I know that evolution from a single celled common ancestor would not come any where close to producing this level of perfection and complexity in such a variety.
Only those with poor understanding of biology, including your pseudo biologist experts, can accept such absurd theory.

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AZPaul3
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Message 489 of 1104 (907573)
02-25-2023 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by sensei
02-25-2023 7:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I know that evolution from a single celled common ancestor would not come any where close to producing this level of perfection and complexity in such a variety.
You know this? How? By what evidence?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 490 of 1104 (907576)
02-25-2023 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 8:10 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
The diamant expert can tell fakes from real diamants by a mere glance. He has all the evidence he needs, while untrained eyes are busy spending time and effort and then fooling themselves into thinking that they know better.
The complexity of information in DNA translating to instructions for building all parts of the living cells with each their specific functions in the body, is evident. Yet you cling on to the idea that it self assembled through progressive steps over time and produced all varieties of DNA by random mutations.

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Message 491 of 1104 (907578)
02-25-2023 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by sensei
02-25-2023 8:27 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
The diamant expert ...
You are not the trained experienced acknowledged expert on the subject of evolution. By your own logic you are busy spending time and effort fooling yourself into thinking that you know better. I agree.
The complexity of information in DNA translating to instructions for building all parts of the living cells with each their specific functions in the body, is evident.
Yes it is. It is evident that chemistry and evolution can produce the most complex, exceptionally less than perfect, organic structures.
Yet you cling on to the idea that it self assembled through progressive steps over time and produced all varieties of DNA by random mutations
We can talk about some abiogenic hypothesis in some depth if you want. The science is fascinating, but, yes the hypothesis involve precisely that.
You have shown nothing to counter this view but your own personal religiously-tainted incredulity. Is there something more than your emotions to justify your view?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 492 of 1104 (907579)
02-25-2023 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 8:52 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Yes it is. It is evident that chemistry and evolution can produce the most complex, exceptionally less than perfect, organic structures.
Not only our observations, but also experiments with evolutionary processes demonstrate repeatedly and consistently that complexity, even "irreducible" complexity, are characteristic of the products of evolution. So when we find complexity in nature, we know that it had to have evolved.
We see this all the time in our own work as intelligent designers (I'm a retired intelligent designer). When we forsake the rigors and best practices of deliberate design and instead resort to methods based on evolutionary processes (ie, copy and modify) then our products quickly approach becoming Rube Goldberg machines which are too complex to maintain or modify easily.
Life violates almost all the rules and practices of intelligent design. It obviously evolved.

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Message 493 of 1104 (907581)
02-25-2023 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by sensei
02-25-2023 7:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
What about answers to my other questions in Message 487?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 494 of 1104 (907584)
02-25-2023 9:57 PM
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02-25-2023 8:52 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Evolution from single celled ancestor never happened. Who wants to be an expert on something non-existent?

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Message 495 of 1104 (907585)
02-25-2023 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by AZPaul3
02-25-2023 9:49 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
How about you backup your claim before firing dozens of more questions. I have no interest in answering every foolish question, if you fail to prove that you are able to read properly even.
Where did you get that I claimed that a nested hierachy would not be a result of evolution?

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