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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Maybe if we just limit the issue to a few examples Faith can present the model, mechanism, process or procedure to show how either of the Biblical Floods created even just the few examples.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The explanation that Faith calls untenable is at Message 476.
Copied here for them what have trouble following links.
I believe an important point that is not being stressed enough is that "laying down" is a process that requires time. Each layer might be originally laid down straight and flat BUT that is only the very top layer. The top layer then gets eroded making it no longer flat.
Later a second layer is deposited on the no longer flat surface and built up over time until the very highest part of layer two is once again flat and straight. It too then gets eroded and becomes no longer straight and flat. The process continues to repeat. At sometime the whole existing section gets tilted or deformed so the whole existing section is no longer flat and erosion continues. The next layer once again fills the low spots and builds up until once again it is flat and straight at the upper surface. BUT... Each period of slowly building up a surface and slowly eroding and weathering away of a surface requires TIME and a sequential series of events. Unless Faith or someone else who thinks there was some Biblical flood can explain the flood model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that can perform all that is needed to create what actually exists withing a one year period of time, the idea of any Biblical Flood as a reality can simply be dismissed.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well I tried to keep it as simple as possible. Baby steps.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith, just saying water did it is just silly. How did water do what is seen in reality.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Even if someone could come up with some possible way a flood could move the reefs it still does not help the YEC cause since many took far longer than 6000 years to grow in the first place.
YECism and Floodism are both simply silly and anyone suffering under such fantasies should be pitied.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Please keep in mind that all this is purely speculative, your stuff, my stuff. Simply once again what you say is not true. The coral exists. That is not speculation. You have provided NO evidence showing it was ever moved and as always, no model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that might allow either of the Biblical floods to move the corals. That is pure speculation. Thinking that either of the Biblical Flood stories ever happened is simply more evidence of being totally divorced from reality or honesty.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: You have no idea what a worldwide Flood wouldl have done so you have no idea whether the corals could have been transported or not. Sorry. Of course we have not just an idea of what a worldwide flood would be like but a full understanding of what MUST be seen if such a thing had ever happened at anytime humans existed on Earth. We are not willfully ignorant. We know what it MUST look like if the corals had been uprooted and any honest person can see that is NOT what is seen in reality. Change leaves evidence Faith. Floods leave evidence Faith. The corals exist Faith. The corals exist in the location where they grew. What is the model, mechanism, process, procedure or method that allowed either of the Biblical Floods to uproot, move and place the corals in the location and formation that exists in reality.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The Great Barrier Reef is an old, old structure going back at least a half a million years but the current reef, the one we see today is at least 8000 years old. Since this reef began growing after the end of the last Ice Age we can be certain that there was not a world-wide flood that tore out and moved the reef in at least 8000 years. Since the current reef is built on top of a whole series of much older fossil reefs we can be sure that it has been at the current site for not less than 8000 years.
Unless of course Faith can provide a model, mechanism, method, process or procedure that would allow either of the Biblical Floods to tear an 8000 year old reef up and then carefully place that reef intact on top of a half million year old already existing reef. But even if Faith can provide a model, mechanism, method, process or procedure that would allow either of the Biblical Floods to tear an 8000 year old reef up and then carefully place that reef intact on top of a half million year old already existing reef we are still left with needing her to explain at least a half million year old structure that has existed intact surrounding a continent with overwhelming evidence of continuous human habitation for at least 65,000 years.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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JonF writes: As Percy pointed out a few messages ago, the flow from Mt. St. Helens was pyroclastic flow, not water. And believe it or not geologists can tell the difference between a pyroclastic flow, a volcanic ash deposit and a flood.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: The worldwide Flood was not just "a flood." Correct, the worldwide Flood was a fantasy. And believe it or not geologists can tell the difference between a flood and a fantasy.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: SO what it was pyroclasitic, it was a liquid flow. Water is a liquid you know, would behave similarly as a flow. It would help if you actually tried to learn the very very very very very very very very very very very very very very basics.
What is a pyroclastic flow?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Faith writes: You ASSUME the rock represents a time period in which those fossil creatures lived, and that raises the question how that whole time period got squished down into a rock. This isn't an assumption, just obvious logic, and you believe the same thing, that all fossilized life became entombed in strata during the time period when it lived, just like we do. Where you differ is in believing that all life lived at the same time and became buried at the same time. The evidence that would support Faith's position would be finding everything that lived at the same time jumbled up together unless she can provide the model, mechanism, process, procedure or method that allowed either of the Biblical Floods to sort the life forms in the order we find them in reality.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We see it on land with deserts encroaching and sea levels rising and floods depositing silt and erosion causing land slide and forests being cleared and fires laying down layers of ash and volcanoes pouring out new lava and old lava being froken up and plants take over and ...
What we see happening on the surface today is exactly what we see in the Geological columns. What is so pitiful is that it really is so simple and obvious.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I was using EMACS back when it really meant EMACS Makes Every Computer Slow.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And most of the interior Americas were Oceans for billions of years. And we have gone over the Great North American Seaway with Faith again and again and again and again ...
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