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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: The evidence for the Flood is scientific fact There IS evidence for *a* flood.
quote: Evidence found of Noah's ark flood victims | Science | The GuardianJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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There IS evidence for *a* flood. Indeed there is evidence of many small floods as well as of sunken cities (due to sea level rise and land sinking after volcanic eruptions and which occurred over periods of years). Annual floods of major river flood plains also leaves records of flooding (Egypt, Nile delta sediments for instance). But none of these floods were world wide events. Certainly the Black Sea flood was catastrophic compared to these common floods, and certainly it is the best evidence of a factual flood behind the myths of great floods (Gilgamesh, Atra-Hasis, bible, etc). Of course the mythical parts (gods, building a boat, saving all types of animals, world wide flooding) are typical of epic stories embellishing actual events. Certainly there was no evidence of a genetic bottleneck of all world wide species ... or even of domestic animals ... at that time period. What we have is a lack of correlation between biblical myth and actual evidence of floods. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : ...by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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RAZD writes: But none of these floods were world wide events. Sure, that's why I said *a* flood and not *The* Flood(TM) It's pretty obvious that a real huge cataclysmic flood at that time would have been passed down in legends for generations. So the evidence for a global flood doesn't exist (and if it did, it would be obvious everywhere we looked) whilst the evidence that it didn't is beyond reasonable doubt and we have a credible reason why the myth exists. Game over.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The evidence for floods is obvious. There is no justification for extrapolating many floods into one Flood. The evidence for the Flood is scientific fact, you know, actual sedimentary deposits, actual fossils in the bazillions, not any of your wacko stuff.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The evidence for floods is obvious. There is no justification for extrapolating many floods into one Flood. There is also no evidence of a flood topping the White Mountains for the last 9,000 years (see Message 2) because the growth there is not disrupted. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
If the high mountains were pushed up after the flood, why would there be?
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Yes we may refer to the current nature when talking about current things. It exists now.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
They weren't. There is nothing in the Bible or reality to suggest that they were. If the high mountains were pushed up after the flood....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
If the flood was about 4500 years ago, and a living tree had more rings than this...those are the rings you need to detail.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
You show a picture of tree rings from 50 BC? Ha. You are defeated.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Not all sediment came from one year though. Some of the uplifted mountains with fossils on them could have been from pre flood seas.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
How about the KT layer? Iridium is said to come from deep below the earth, and from space...exactly where the waters of the flood came from.
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creation Member (Idle past 1973 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
We do know all the mountains will be flattened one day by the bible. The history in that book deals with man and God. Not detailed physical geology.
If we accept that there was continents separating and mountain building from science, then it had to have occurred somewhere in the framework laid out in Scripture. The question becomes, when is the best fit?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Again, you can not use speculations about what might happen in the future as evidence that something happened in the past.
We do know all the mountains will be flattened one day by the bible. creation writes:
On the contrary, we know it didn't. Separation of the continents and building of the existing mountains happened long before the 6000 years ago that the earth was supposedly "created". If we accept that there was continents separating and mountain building from science, then it had to have occurred somewhere in the framework laid out in Scripture.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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We do know all the mountains will be flattened one day by the bible. The history in that book deals with man and God. Not detailed physical geology. One could argue that the main point is our relationship with God and with each other. Whether God flattens mountains or spins straw into gold has no bearing on our relationship with Him.What I want to know from Creationists (Faith in particular) is how they answer the question of no observable genetic bottleneck amongst all living (and dead) creatures. This would naturally be present in the context of a global flood. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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