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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
creation writes: The wise men observed on over a house on a street. Yet you have faith something else happened.The universe does not exist according to what you see happen on a street on earth. You didn't answer my question. If you see a car coming down the street is that a belief based conclusion?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hello creation, If you do not ascribe to what General Relativity explains then you will simply hand waive away one of the most important experimentally verified scientific theories to date. Which seems to imply that you are simply being dogmatic or trolling and not really interested in Science.
Approximations can be useful and many times all we have. Check out this link if your interested. If clocks run slow in a gravitational field, how can we know the true age of the Solar System and Universe? (Intermediate) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No. But what has that got to do with stars?
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
GR is fine. The issue is whether it tells us what time is, and what time is in the far universe. Does it even apply in the far universe? Looking at some bent light does not mean GR had to have been responsible for the bending.
Since no distance to any star is known, no sizes are known, no mass...etc. That means whatever gravity is at work is also not clear. Etc...
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty. Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting. It is criminal cover up.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Your wacky conspiracy theories aside, I addressed the issue of correlations. They all rest on the same belief. That belief is that a same set of laws and nature applied on earth since the start.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
GR is fine. The issue is whether it tells us what time is, and what time is in the far universe. Who is that an issue for? How do you know what it tells us?
creation writes: Looking at some bent light does not mean GR had to have been responsible for the bending. Well that's good, because GR is an explanation and a description, not a cause, or a force.
creation writes: Since no distance to any star is known The distance to millions of stars is known.
creation writes: no sizes are known Wrong again.
creation writes: no mass...etc Wrong about everything again, etc.
creation writes: That means whatever gravity is at work is also not clear. Etc... If this actually made sense it would still be wrong, etc.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty. You're going to have to up your game a whole bunch before you can claim to have busted anything.
Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting. Yours is a classic example of an uncorrected faulty model.
It is criminal cover up. Really? "The Laws of the Universe have been broken in a most criminal manner, Your Honor. Then they covered up the whole affair with Dark matter."What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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creation writes:
Did you not read the article ?
The issue is whether it tells us what time is, and what time is in the far universe. Does it even apply in the far universe? creation writes: This is an example of someone who does not have the faintest idea of what they are talking about. Since no distance to any star is known, no sizes are known, no mass...etc. That means whatever gravity is at work is also not clear. Etc.. There are many folks on this board that have been patient with you and would teach you a great deal about science. If you are going to dismiss one of the most elegant and concise theories of how spacetime and gravity are related you will be hard pressed to ever find a theory that will explain it to you. Read this article about GPS.http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=55 This is just one example of how science can know things and use it in real world applications. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
Creationism has been busted. Didn't you get the memo? It's just dishonest to pretend that it has anything to offer.
Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty. creation writes:
Science corrects itself. Creationism has never succeeded in showing any flaws. All creationists ever show is that they don't understand the model. Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting. If you think the model is flawed, pick a topic and discuss it in depth. You might learn something. So far, all you've done is parrot creationist rhetoric that has been refuted a thousand times.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Creationism is the belief in God creating everything. You should not confuse some historical attempts at explaining how the evidences fit with a creation, with creation itself.
Men of science who believed also in creation tried to use the science they knew to explain it. They had the limit of having to work within the belief based paradigm of science. Creation is too big for science regardless of whether men of science try to use it to know about the works of God. My approach has been more one of looking at the real premises and fundamental core beliefs that are used in origin sciences.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
GPS near earth has zero to do with time in deep space. Now, you must show us exactly how your article even relates to the issue.
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Dark stuff is an invention, born out of a need to prop up the belief based models of science.
You might as well teach Jack in the Beanstalk in schools as science.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Dark stuff is an invention, born out of a need to prop up the belief based models of science. You might as well teach Jack in the Beanstalk in schools as science. Right over your head. It's "Jack and the Beanstalk."What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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creation Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No. The distance to NO star is known. Parallax is unable to give any far distances. Parallax assumes time and space exists the same and draws a line based on that belief that is supposed to represent distance.
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