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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It is the holder of the belief that deserves respect. After all, some people think the Koran is a Holy Book...I certainly wouldnt use one to prop up the uneven leg on the couch were they to be likely to drop by....
Plus i get tired of these same worn out arguments that require evidence for belief. Of course, I am free to avoid forums, I suppose....
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Salvation was a free gift. We humans certainly didn't earn it.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
One of the most important lessons that any human can learn is humility and obedience...not to a human con man but to a Creator Who knows what is the better choice.
Everyone always points to how religion has been used to manipulate...an observation which confirms the base nature of humanity, by the way. Getting rid of religion wont stop human greed and lust for power.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Have you ever really prayed...apart from reciting some pre written prayer?
How do you know that the person you are obeying really is not a human con man but a Creator Who knows what is the better choice?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Obedience is another matter. One can be forced into obedience by a stick or one can comply in respect. Your god's sticks are neither long enough nor strong enough to reach me and the vile nature and evil attributes ascribed to your god in his (supposedly) own books defy any level of respect from a decent man. You can't use the excuse that "my Gods" attributes and character are limited to books. Thus, you wont get away with the simple excuse that you "disagree" with the books. You might argue that as of today you dont have enough respect to worship or acknowledge Him. I would highly doubt that He would smite an honest man, long stick or not. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Im all for questioning and testing. I don't check my brain at any door, but I also don't throw away gods and scriptures and bow at the altar of logic, reason, and reality. (Unless that logic, reason, and reality emanates from Him.) How do I know its Him? Good question, grasshopper!
I ask often "What should I do?"But then I test the answer using logic, reason and reality. How do you know that the person you are obeying really is not a human con man but a Creator Who knows what is the better choice?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes: Hint: Its not the same guy that you "obey" when you are proud and haughty.
If you're humble, how do you know who to obey?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: This is the question of the moment, apparantly...seeing as how you keep repeating it. If one asks themselves in solitude, the short answer is that we ourselves are responsible for whom we obey---and whether we were obeying our own conscience, something that we decided was the right answer...or an inner unction(not quite an audible voice) we have to know that we are sane and are choosing the best option. Would we dare con ourselves?? (still thinking and pondering....)
How do you know that the person you are obeying really is not a human con man but a Creator Who knows what is the better choice?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes: Jesus is a perfect example.
I don't see how humility and obedience go together.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Both are the same person.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith writes: There's nothing "healthy" about doubt, nothing admirable either; doubt is simply our natural state, a legacy from the Fall. You all keep trying to make it into a virtue it just isn't. Is doubt the same as questioning? Are you saying that for a believer to be strongest is when they dont question and doubt? Would you say that God, as you know Him, would rather have us simply ignore any questions and/or doubts and simply believe?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat in 2008 writes: Television and the internet have their share of marketers, and HOW to hear Gods voice - Is this MY thoughts or God speaking!? isw a good talk and sermon regarding how to test the spirits regarding the possibility of Gods impression. To the average American, Protestant Charismatic Christianity is that which is broadcast daily by the Televangelists such as Joel Osteen and Benny Hinn. The radio preachers are better, but by and large, the message that we see resembles more of a huge infomercial, a warped prosperity gospel, and a form of self congratulatory exclusivity. Were Jesus to return tomorrow, would He find contemporary public Christianity to be applauded or would He see it as reprehensible? Revising this topic, I would now say: The average American,should they choose to embrace Christianity, has many options and flavors open to them. Though Joel Osteen and Benny Hinn are still around, they have been discredited as serious contenders for the best messages (or examples) marketed. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You've been drinking again, haven't you. There is no other reason why you would react so strongly And for the record, no--I'm not going to say in my own words what the speaker can and does say far more eloquently. If you angrily refuse to peruse it, its your loss. Even at your age you can still learn something. Chill out.
Edited by Phat, : weighing my response to be more polite"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You guys are hopeless. professing yourselves wise, you are but fools. Reality will show you what all of the "evidence" that you worship has failed to do. Even then, you likely will deny the truth.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
nwr writes: Let me get your beliefs clear. Are you of similar mind as jar, who states that there has never been any evidence that God can talk to us or that we can listen and hear Him? However, communication via youtube video seems a horribly ineffective method, in addition to wasting a lot of time. Sure, I watch some videos when I think I can learn from them. But when the title suggests Christian Apologetics, I will give it a pass.Furthermore, are you, like jar, unconcerned about it? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You(1894).
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