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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I can get a Great Debate going if someone creates a thread proposal for the topic over in Proposed New Topics. I have a lot going on right now, but when it appears I should be able to review it within a day.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You've caught me a minute before dinner and I always review thread context before taking action. Perhaps another moderator can handle this. Dr A knows better, I guess he wants a vacation. If he wants to mitigate the action perhaps if he notices this he can edit his replies so that they instead read like explanations of why he found your quoted comments problematic.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 252, Message 254 and Message 255 do not rise to the level of requiring moderator attention.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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There have been a couple recent reports concerning problems at the Glenn Morton's Evidence Examined thread. Before examining the problem messages (Message 126 and Message 148) I began reading the thread from the beginning. The problems seem to begin much earlier. This is from Faith's Message 55:
Faith in Message 55 writes: Since there is no way anyone will ever agree with me here I am reduced to simply asserting that my interpretation is the correct one and yours are all ridiculously inadequate. ...Take it or leave it. I'm done with this. This is from Faith's Message 56:
Faith in Message 56 writes: One last OBVIOUS point and then you can all go back to your silly meaningless gibbering.... NOW I'm done. It is requested that all participants make a good faith effort to concentrate discussion on the evidence and arguments and not introduce inflammatory comments that invariably distract from the topic. I haven't posted to the thread because I may want to participate, but I haven't yet read to the end. Edited by Admin, : Fix title.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Moving the thread to the Spam folder (it's hidden). Thanks for noticing.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
The active moderators seem to be participating in this thread. If the problem continues I'll recuse myself for a couple days and then resume as moderator.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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I don't have a horse in this race, so even though I've been participating in the thread it won't be a conflict of interest if I begin moderating now.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You do have to stop. This is a debate site, not an insult site. People aren't liars here. They may be wrong or mistaken, but they're not liars. Calling someone a name is not rebuttal.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Before accusing someone of lying you have show that they're lying, in other words, that they're reciting untruths that they know are untrue. This is your burden for each new lie.
You provide a good example of Davidjay lying in your post, and that's all you need do, make clear the lie. Without that it's just name-calling and insults, and readers have no way of knowing what you think he's lying about. That someone is a liar must be established with evidence and argument just like any other claim at this website. Still, Tangle makes a good point. For all we know Davidjay is damaged goods and we're just unwittingly engaged in a cruel exercise of torturing the fool. And Minnemooseus made another good point when he mentioned Brad McFall, whom we tolerated good-naturedly for many years. Doing the same for Davidjay will be a bit tougher given his more obnoxious style, but it *is* an option.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Faith writes: Pressie also has a bad habit of making personal comments. To a post of mine on a book about the Grand Canyon he replied with a personal comment. He very rarely ever comments on the content of anything.
This one is funny and also tragic. A person who thinks that the Cambrian is a layer claims that she could debunk a book written on those rocks by actual geologists who studied those rocks... You have posted in the same manner innumerable times, e.g. from your Message 421:
...there's just something about the grip the ToE/OE fantasy has on people's minds in these untestable unprovable historical sciences,... I encourage participants in the The TRVE history of the Flood... thread to engage in evidence-based discussion supporting their view of what flood events occurred and when.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Hi Davidjay,
The goal here at EvC is discussion that makes rational progress. Your misinterpretations about Chiroptera's bat information (beginning at Message 210 of the Evolution is a racist doctrine thread) is an example of one aspect of your approach to discussion that has me very concerned. I like to see you begin making sure you understand an argument before attempting to rebut it. In this case Chiroptera was definitely not arguing that we descended from bats, and yet you say:
Davidjay in Message 210 writes: OK Chir says that his authority or quesser, says that we came from bats. Unless you remedy this and other undesirable qualities of your debating style, you'll find your opportunities for discussion diminishing over time.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Dredge writes: Waste of space by 1.61803 who posted an irrelevant cartoon with no meaningful comment. Your Message 66 from the Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. thread:
Dredge writes: Chicko agrees with me. Are you going to call him "ignorant" as well? Moderation keeps its limited resources focused on more serious or persistent violations of the Forum Guidelines. I'm not even sure these are violations, taken by themselves. There's no rule against a little kidding around.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Davidjay writes: Percy, three evolutionists all said us, primates came from bats, even another evolutionists stated it again today.... stating clearly that the evolutionary theory believes we humans came from bats...bats are our ancesters, even though he said they weren;t our relatives. Yes, its confusing, but four evolutionists have now stated that bats are our ancestors. No one said that humans evolved from bats, and people have been correcting your original misinterpretation of a comment about classification ever since. No one feels there's anything wrong with humans evolving from bats, it's just that it's not true according to the evidence. I don't know why you're doing this. Maybe you have trouble understanding simple English, maybe you're a troll, but whichever it is it is becoming a significant problem. Please make a better effort to understand what people are saying, then respond to what they actually said.
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Taq uses the word "lie" in only Message 62, and it seems to be because you said that "mutations are the source of variation" is not a statement of the ToE. While I disapprove of Taq's vocabulary, you do appear to be making a misstatement of fact. Maybe you meant something else?
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Admin Director Posts: 13044 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Davidjay,
There's nothing in the Forum Guidelines about language, but here are some guidelines that you're violating:
Follow these guidelines and it will make moderation of threads easier.
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