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Stepping back just a ways to look at the big picture. Here is a map showing the general overall make-up of the current earths surface by the geological material. It does not show detail but rather the basics. It's from World geologic provinces and the important part is the table below the image that has links to a short description of each type of structure. Reading the descriptions in relation to the image may help us understand the general trends that are going on in different areas simultaneously. We can see where general activity is happening, where nothing much is happening, where the general direction is up or down.A second consideration are the plates that underlie the surface seen above and the general direction of motion of those plates. lates_tect2_en.svg#/media/Filelates_tect2_en.svg"]-->(Link to image). By USGS - http://pubs.usgs.gov/publications/text/slabs.html, Public Domain, File:Plates tect2 en.svg - Wikimedia Commons

Edited by Admin, : Reduce image width. The image was originally a link that to the original image, I've provided that as a separate link.

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Fossils are from dead critters Faith and once dead they seldom move on their own. The ones that did move did not die there and so I doubt we would see their fossils there. Yes Virginia, environments really do change. So far you have not presented any real problems. Perhaps when you do we can address those problems.What we think we are doing is discussing reality.Edited by Admin, : Fix typo.

In Message 806 I presented a map and link to the general current surface of the Earth to try to help explain what happens regarding changes over time.Before going much further I want to emphasize that like all the maps we have examined in this and other threads, it represents a snapshot of what exists at a given time. As we look at the different colored parts of the map hopefully some changes will become clear as well as a better understanding of why we see what we see.Here's the map again; I am going to start with the kinda sea blue Orogen areas since they are places we discussed earlier in this thread and even referenced by Faith. If we look we see that that area was shown as a relatively shallow inland sea that lasted over 40 million years. But an Orogen is an area that is buckling due to stress built up by plates colliding. The inland sea first appeared about 120-125 million years ago and lasted in some form and different extent right up until around 60-65 million years ago. But it is not a sea today.What has happened is that stresses built up and buckled the crust pushing the area up. Today, the Florissant Fossil Beds in Colorado that we have been discussing are at over 8000 feet above sea level and the dominate landscape is Aspen, Fir, Spruce and Ponderosa pine. But the geology is layers of marine and volcanic materials above old, old pre-cambrian granite. What is seen are ash flows, mud stone, shale, mudstone and lots of conglomerant (cemented rubble from erosion). The active volcanoes though that resulted when the area was buckled up forming mountains have quieted down and eroded down to a shadow of their former size.Since the area was uplifted what we see is much that was once there is no longer there and so the dinosaur fields are now exposed at the surface. Millions of years of material have been weathered and eroded away but what is left shows that once it was at and below sea level and not at 8000+ feet above sea level.Next let's look at the Basins. They are kinda Carolina Blue: The basins are the opposite of the Orogen, they are warping but depressions. Depressions are one of the places lots of the material weathered and eroded from the high spots pauses or ends up. What we expect to see there are layers of sediment and in fact that is what we do find; lots of sediment with not all that much really old material at the surface.The Platforms. The platforms are relatively flat or sometimes slightly tilted layers of sedimentary rock sitting on top of igneous and metamorphic rocks that themselves resulted from an earlier deformation. Some of the hardest rocks we see are where old igneous and metamorphic platform and shield (the next place we will look) rocks found as cratons.Shield rocks: The least active areas where about all that goes on is erosion are the Shields. Shields are really old, igneous and metamorphic rocks all at least 500 million years old. When paleontologists wanted to see if they could find an early example of critters emerging from the sea onto land they looked for areas where they might find 300-400 million year old rocks and the Canadian Arctic shield seemed a good place to look. The result was finding Tiktaalik.So the general picture seen in the image above pretty much explains what we can expect to find when it comes to fossils and ancient landscapes.Edited by jar, : appalin spallinEdited by jar, : add map showing inland seaway

You use a term that I think is really important to this topic and discussion and so I hope you will tell us more about Peneplains; what they look like, how they are identified, how they are formed, how they could be identified if within a greater geological column.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

The landscape is where it always was Faith. The landscape does not go away, it is always there. Landscapes change, evolve but they are always there and in the same places. The terrestrial landscapes are always at or near the surface, the marine landscape in the water. And where do the living critters go? Where they have always gone.Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! and they swam and they swam right over the dam.BUT, sometimes stuff dies. Leaves fall from trees, animals die, crickets die. Sometimes critters move about and leave tracks and trails. Some stuff gets thrown away, old egg shells and pieces parts.Sometime that stuff gets covered over.None of the living things pay a lot of attention. They keep going where they have always gone.Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! and they swam and they swam right over the dam.Often grass grows on the dirt that covered up the stuff.Sometimes more dirt gets put on top and the grass grows on that surface and the critters go where the always went.Eventually, after millions of years the stuff may get buried deep enough to transform from dirt to rock.But all the while ...Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! and they swam and they swam right over the dam.

Where did I say the landscapes are Faith?The landscapes are exactly where they always have been and always will be, and that is either on or near the surface of the land or in the water.But that surface is also constantly changing, parts being eroded away, other parts being covered. What we see in the geology of a location is examples showing us what the landscape looked like when that part, that sample was the surface.Faith, it really is that simple.Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! Boop-Boop Dit-Tem Dot-Tem What-Em Chu! and they swam and they swam right over the dam.

Not many. Seems stuff lives under almost all conditions. When we look close enough even what seems uninhabitable at first glance usually turns out to be inhabited.

The problem has really been evident from the moment the title to the topic was written.There is no such thing as a geological timescale.There is only time and change and the evidence left by change over great lengths of time. What we see in geology is simply normal processes that work and have been working from the very beginning of the existence of the Earth. What we see in the biological samples are simply the actual evolution of lifeforms since the very beginning of life on the Earth.The geological processes are pretty much the same and the resulting products are very much the same.There is time.There is change.Changes over time leave evidence.

Yesterday upon the stair
Faith saw a problem that wasn't there.
It wasn't there again today.
Oh how she wishes it would go away.

Faith, that is all just word salad, lots of words with absolutely no meaning.What ends up in any geological column is simply whatever gets left, there is no plan, no pattern, not predetermined outcome.What happens happens.What gets left to get buried is what gets left to get buried.What the final product becomes is the result of what is available.Faith, it really is that simple. Stop making shit up.

Perhaps a very basic Q&A might be helpful at this point.For example, if I specify a surface environment to get buried what type of rock would we see in a geological column?If the surface is a marsh, what should we see?If the surface was an ash flow from a volcano what would we see in the geological column.If the surface was a shallow lake with limited inflow and out flow what would we see?If the surface was a coral reef what would we later see?If the surface was a riverbed what would we see millennia later?If the surface was a grassland, a savanna what rock would get produced?

Except of course that once again reality shows you are wrong, the idea is certainly not imaginary as you have been shown time after time after time after time, it is evidenced. The evidence is the samples and the samples show conclusively what produced them. Dinosaur tracks were produced by living dinosaurs, leaves were produced by living trees. The geological column is not imagined but rather absolute and conclusive irrefutable evidence of change over time. The ordering of fossils is not imaginary but rather absolute and conclusive irrefutable evidence of change over time.It really is that simply Faith.Only a Young Earth and Biblical floods and Garden of Eden and special creation are imaginary.

Faith, you know that is simple a total falsehood and lie. You have admitted that there is no flood model that can explain the biological and geological evidence that exists in reality.Stop making such claims until you are ready to present the flood model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob that explains the evidence that exists and don't even think about claiming you have already done that because everyone knows that too would be a lie.

Well so far in the billions of years the Earth has been around the point when there is absolutely nothing left to sustain them has simply never happened and there is absolute proof that the a fact. There are still things living on Earth today. That sows with a probability of 100% that never in the past has there been a point when there is absolutely nothing left to sustain them.What happens is that life moves, evolves, adapts.It really is that simple.