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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
I apologize in advance for this question because i know I've seen it answered multiple times on this forum but I just can't think of a search term that would return what I need.
Let's suppose the viable dating range of a given RID method is 1 million years to 1 billion years.Let's suppose I send in a rock #1 that is a half a million years old. Let's suppose I also send in a rock #2 that is 2 billion years old. My recollection is that the lab will NOT send you a results saying that the first rock is 1 million years old (even though that may be what their equipment returned) but rather a return saying something like "Less than a million"? Same with the other rock ... "More than a billion". Would it be something like Rock 1: =< 1,000,000Rock 2: => 1,000,000,000 Is there some additional language a lab would put with this to note that the date range is outside the normal range return of their equipment/method. Thanks so much. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
I've been asked this question by one of my wavering YEC fundamentalists and I want to make sure and get the answer right. I have searched this forum including the excellent thread " Self-Replicating Molecules - Life's Building Blocks", but can't seem to find a clear answer.
Do we have current examples of self replicating molecules in the wild? Not lab created, but naturally occurring. And help would be greatly appreciated. ThanksJB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Awesome answer. I already shared it with them.
THANKS JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
A question for those dendro inclined.
In all the YEC talk about multiple rings per year, I hear responses from knowledgeable dendro folk saying things like "it's far more common to have missing rings than multiple rings". I understand that 2 rings per year is rather easy to detect (cellular difference as I follow it), but does anyone have any idea how one could detect missing rings? I'm not talking about a situation where one tree among many might for some reason be one ring short in a common sequence (solved by crossdating), but rather where a large climate event might cause widespread loss of a year in all the trees in a say an entire region. Any thoughts? ThanksJB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
I'll say thanks to all three of you that responded here at once.
So it sounds like, other than crossdating other references, there is no way to know if rings are missing. Unlike multiple rings, where there are cellular differences that can be used to differentiate from normal rings, there is not tell-tale evidence left behind in the tree of a missing ring. I suspected as much but wanted to make sure. Thanks.JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Today, while describing the issues with dating water based mollusks / seals, etc., I was asked why these same water based variables didn't apply to plants which uptake water through their roots. Seems like a good question and one I've never heard asked before.
By searching "Do plants uptake C14 through roots" I found several studies about the uptake of C02 through the roots, but nothing directly dating related. Any suggestions on where I can go to learn how to answer that one? ThanksJB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Thanks Coyote.
Even though it can happen theoretically, it must not be much of an issue since I've never heard anyone complain about it before. I would think if it were common it would be discussed in papers and such. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Well, this just got interesting.
I've just accepted the opportunity to question/debate Hugh Miller live (online) with my family watching. I have stated that the only topic I'm interested in debating are the famous Carnegie Samples. The time isn't set up yet (I asked for a few days to get my stuff together). Anyone else interested in watching or engaging is invited to do so. More later (and I'll have a ton of questions to ask y'all as well). Could be fun. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
That's exactly what it is. But via email he's halfway convinced my family that it's not true and so they asked if I would debate him.
Certain members of the family are on the fence and leaning my way. I want to use this to lean them even farther. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
(from phone so short)
Will be a text debate on a facebook group called "SDA Fight Club Arena" (SDA being Seventh Day Adventist) The SDA Fight Club is a place where current and former SDAs, and others discuss issues relevant to the church and members past and present. It's moderated to a "attack the idea but not the person" level and has a fair bit of science exchange. It has a higher 'past member' mix than 'current members' but still a fair share of the YEC faithful. The "Arena" is a separate area where everyone can see an exchange, but only those invited to the exchange can participate - this keeps exchanges on very specific topics cleaner with less side commenting to derail things. I would LOVE people with more knowledge than I have directly involved in this exchange with Miller and would try to work out logistics to suit that. It's not like it will be of the 'hour format' or anything formal like that ... It could go on for several days as we ask him questions as they come up and he answers them in his own time (just like here). Like any FB exchange, it is preserved and can be viewed at any time.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Sometime early in my time here at CvE, I read everything I could find on the Hugh Miller / Carnegie fiasco. At one point I remember actually seeing an image from the AZ lab that did the testing along with their notations as to the contamination of the sample. I can't find that report anywhere. Does anyone else remember such? Pointers?
ThanksJB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
I'm looking for information on the following position posted below related to the geographic range of certain geologic formations.
1: Is this described range true? I find many tapeat maps and the range is generally limited to North America so I assume it's not.2: Is there some broader (or twisted) definition that would allow the expansion of range (or is it just straight made up) 3: Are such formations defined broadly by common events, or by some 'fingerprint', or ... ?? Thanks:
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
BTW, Hugh Miller bailed on the public exchange he had initiallly offered and I described above before it even started.
Apologies for not updating the group on that earlier. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
The maps I find for the Tapeat show a far greater range than the listed range in Wikipedia, but nothing like Snelling describes. I haven't found anything other than local/regional maps for the redwall.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Crap -- yeah, I'm usually more aware of sources than that, but I just right clicked on one in Google images and copied the link.
Sure enough when I look at each of them in Google images, all of that variety are coming from YEC sites. Thanks -- dropped the ball on that. I did find this one entertaining for obvious reasons -- WORLDWIDE (in the US):
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