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Omnivorous
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Message 14 of 71 (770373)
10-04-2015 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by AZPaul3
10-03-2015 6:54 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
I just saw a facebook article (real trustworthy I know) that said that they ran the "first ever" test and found MJ did not impair driving.
Well, we know that's not true. Not if you're using the good stuff.
Folks vaping the Grandpa Purple or Critical Mass are the safest drivers of all.
They can't walk to the car.
I expect the test subjects, if they can be called that, experienced a contextual repressive effect, their mellow thoroughly harshed by the sort of non-participating observers who have ruined a good time since Gilgamesh and barley beer. Once they drove away, however, the giggles and the lane-waves began.
I actually found I could drive well on heavy psychedelics--as long as I pretended I was flying, which incorporated the sensation of swooping, things went swimmingly Indeed, most of the drug effect would recede while I flew and return when I landed. I never had a problem. People still talk about those drives...
...
What was the question?

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-Terence

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Message 15 of 71 (770374)
10-04-2015 3:36 PM
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10-04-2015 6:55 AM


RAZD writes:
I'll have to get it next time that it comes around
... on the guitar ...
with feeling
Don't forget: "If you wanna end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud."

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Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 16 of 71 (770375)
10-04-2015 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
10-03-2015 10:46 PM


Faith writes:
Funny sort of. But no wonder America is going under. If we do have enemies who want to take us over where's the resistance coming from?
Offer them a toke.
Let me offer you a different perspective.
Marijuana is firmly ensconced in American culture. There is no longer a socio-political divide: the southern country fellas and the northern city boys who populate the military all take part in it. It cuts across income lines as well. Here in my little Adirondack village, to my certain knowledge, marijuana use can be found in poor conservative farmers and high income liberal professionals. There are folks with MS and rheumatoid arthritis and other degenerative diseases who used it for relief long before medical marijuana became fashionable; everyone in town knows who they are, and they could do anything short of smoking naked on the front porch without getting busted--we do have some limits.
MaryJane is especially popular with the military. We all sympathize with the guys and gals on leave who can only smoke with their parents and friends for the first days of leave, because they have to pee in a jar when they go back.
Pot doesn't make you a bad soldier; many a troop has managed to rock and roll when he'd rather be rocking and rollin', if you know what I mean. Pot does make you less interpersonally aggressive: my combat engineer first sergeant said if he had his way, they'd legalize pot and ban booze, because the potheads come back to the barracks and sleep, while the drunks come home and destroy things. Then he told me exactly in which circumstances he'd have to bust me anyway, and I listened well.
Never fear. The soldiers we pay so poorly they need foodstamps will still kill on command, despite marijuana; they'll still come home maimed so we can break our promises about their care. Of course, if they come to the wrong state, they may go to jail for using the pot that relieves their PTSD and head trauma symptons.
But when it comes to battle, they'll for sure fill a pit as well as better.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 21 of 71 (770388)
10-04-2015 7:15 PM
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10-04-2015 5:58 PM


Faith writes:
Yes! TV too. Put that on the list of causes.
Don't forget the scandalous way women dress these days. My own moral fiber has suffered some considerable damage from it, though my honor remains intact.
And don't get me started on how we heterosexuals have debauched marriage while it was in our care; the statistics on infidelity and divorce are just sad. The institution is in such disarray, I'm surprised the gays still wanted in...
Or maybe that's an effect of Para 1 above and not a cause. You women have a lot to answer for.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 23 of 71 (770396)
10-04-2015 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Tanypteryx
10-04-2015 9:11 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
I will just never get used to women wearing pants. Zippers in the front and shirts with buttons on the right, what the hell?
The country really started going to hell in the 1920s when they began to cut their hair like boys just because they could. Outrageous.
My grandma told me how her sister Betty wrote her name and address on every one in a thousand eggs they sold to the wholesaler in town. Since they were both born in the 1890s, the timing is about right for that historical Rubicon.
Eventually, she heard from a young man, began a correspondence and then married the fella for 40-odd years until he died. Betty passed at 102, my grandma at 107. At my granny's 105th birthday party, she told me that story, since she could, with Betty dead and all. Then she paused a long while, looked around, and whispered, "She was always kinda loose like that."
Of course, when women stole the right to vote, my grandma rode into town on the hay wagon with a dozen other farm ladies; en masse, the men couldn't intimidate them out of their ballot. So she was a bit shameless, too.
So this has been going on a long time, ignored by the religious establishment, the media, scientists, Hollywood producers and the government, all: there are now more women than men in the U.S. In the world! Why do you think that is? Is anyone looking into that? What would happen to them if they did? They tell us women just naturally live longer, but they would, wouldn't they? Women type all those damn papers and periodicals! Things were going just swell while the women had to sit down, shut up and do what they're told. Now we're likely to get a woman president, and then it will a She who calls our kids to go die in some godforsaken place to protect the interests of multinational corporations, and that seems, well, wrong. For a woman. For sure it wouldn't be like in the good old days when moral fiber was tough, men were fibrous and virtue was impregnable. The Roaring Twenties launched mere Chaos into the world, and now Her work is done. Everything is broken. Surely the end is near.
We can only hope. Thanks for asking.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 29 of 71 (770480)
10-06-2015 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Faith
10-06-2015 11:13 AM


Re: something completely different
I don't think the thrips would abandon their plants, even under attack. But if his smoke reaches your place, thrips certainly could, too.
You could use expanding foam insulation (comes in a can at the hardware store) or silicon caulking (squeeze tube) to seal around your under-cabinet pipes, depending on the size of the gaps. The foam insulation works better for larger spaces.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 51 of 71 (770567)
10-08-2015 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Faith
10-07-2015 11:49 PM


Re: How to Bug Your Neighbor by Growing Marijuana
Faith writes:
And did you notice that there was a series of posts about how women dress on this thread that really did have nothing to do with the topic?
In the context of recreational marijuana, how women dress--if they must--is intensely relevant.
Bugs, too. Not the way they dress, though, that's just sick.
I hope that brings closure to everyone.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 55 of 71 (770576)
10-08-2015 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by AZPaul3
10-08-2015 8:20 AM


Re: How to Bug Your Neighbor by Growing Marijuana
AZPaul3 writes:
While my personal preferences vis-a-vis women is that less is preferable, and their dressing like an insect is personally disturbing, their right to dress so without expressions of bias from male-privileged society must be maintained. Same with the tetrapoda-privileged attitudes towards arthropods.
As for topic? I really don't give a flyin' flip. Such bias and intolerance must be opposed whenever, wherever, they are expressed.
I see right through you, buddy. Wearing the skirts of buggy-love, you actually defend the objectifying suzerainty of the poly-footed gaze.
What about my friends? So slick, so sinuous, so sweet...
Arthropod this, tetrapod that: You preach tolerance, but what you're really doing is slug shaming.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 57 of 71 (770595)
10-08-2015 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
10-08-2015 2:41 PM


Re: How to Bug Your Neighbor by Growing Marijuana
Mama I was born this way.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 59 of 71 (770608)
10-09-2015 5:54 AM
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10-08-2015 11:44 PM


Re: How to Bug Your Neighbor by Growing Marijuana
Yeppers.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 65 of 71 (771161)
10-21-2015 3:59 PM


Don't touch my bags, if you please, Mr. Customs Man
Back in April, Michele Leonhart, head of the Drug Enforcement Agency, resigned, reportedly under pressure after openly criticizing the Obama administration for its willingness to allow states to formulate their own marijuana policies. Despite the clear will of the White House, Congress and the affected states, she directed aggressive enforcement efforts against medical dispensaries.
In response, Congress passed a budget provision last year forbidding the Justice Department to use federal funds to "undermine" state medical marijuana programs; DOJ decided that only meant they couldn't interfere with the states' activities in creating and administering such programs; dispensaries and their owners remained fair game for raids and prosecutions.
Now that also has been put to rest:
Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Win Battle Against Federal Crackdown
quote:
Medical marijuana dispensaries scored a major win on Monday when a federal judge ruled that the Department of Justice cannot prosecute legal providers of medical cannabis.
In his ruling, Senior District Judge Charles R. Breyer lifted an injunction against a California dispensary, the Marin Alliance for Medical Marijuana, and its founder, Lynette Shaw, ruling that a budget amendment Congress approved last year requires the federal government to respect state marijuana laws. The DOJ is thus precluded from criminally prosecuting organizations like MAMM that comply with state regulations.
It is instructive to observe the institutional resistance to marijuana reform, despite the change in direction by political leadership, and to suppose that significant social change now requires action from all three branches of government, as well as the public.
Without public support, Obama would have lacked political cover for his cautious "experiment"; both criticism in Congress and the budget provision of 2014 were needed to remove one defiant bureaucrat and to rein-in the DOJ--and a federal court still had to jerk the reins even harder.
All that makes Obamacare's existence seem like a miracle, and this country increasingly ungovernable.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 68 of 71 (771168)
10-21-2015 4:51 PM
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10-21-2015 4:20 PM


Re: Don't touch my bags, if you please, Mr. Customs Man
RAZD writes:
Last night, Canada voted in Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party in a general election -- a move that will have outstanding implications for drug policy reform in the country.
I've always thought of Canada as the relatively saner, kinder and gentler America to the north.
I hope Harper's decade will prove an aberration from that fundamental good sense, as I hope our own reactionary rabies will subside. I feel more optimistic about Canada.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 69 of 71 (771205)
10-22-2015 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by anglagard
10-09-2015 8:53 PM


anglagard writes:
In my experience (US Army intelligence 1984-1987), a few hits on Friday did not show up Monday or Tuesday despite being fat-soluable. Instead many soldiers did hallucinogenics and/or cocaine because being water-soluable or almost untraceable, it eluded the piss detectives.
Desire, like life, seems to always find a way.
I was active duty in the 70s when the piss tests began. They were primitive and loosely administered--we'd be herded into latrines en masse to fill tubes unsupervised, and freely asked for and freely received donations from non-indulging friends. The tests are much more sensitive now--a frequent user will test positive well past the 30-day abstinence once accepted as gospel.
We had an Army Intelligence training center at my last stateside posting. Our Combat Engineer chess team defeated them in the post chess team tourney.
Good thing, too. Our colonel was proud to bursting, and I had need of his indulgence later.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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