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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Faith #1
Faith ... writes: ONLY AFTER THE WHOLE STACK WAS IN PLACE, from Precambrian to quaternary, do we then see EROSION of the stack. Me in response:"Of course if that were true, there wouldn't be unconformities throughout the stack." Faith #2
Faith writes: None of the internal erosion or unconformities are anywhere near the scale of things hundreds of millions of years should be expected to produce. Faith, this is why exchanges with you are essentially pointless. First you say that erosion only happened after the stack was in place and then when called on that you change your position to "well yes, but that doesn't matter because they aren't big enough". You aren't even consistent among your own positions. No thanks. JB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Appreciate that link. Had already found that link and have been totally unable to get anything remotely like what I'm looking for. I'm a reasonably smart guy, but that interface is just unusable for someone like me. I have drilled down on that site for more than an hour and several hundred click. Nothing.
Thanks again. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Faith writes: There is nothing even remotely like the extent of this erosion within the strata. You saying this doesn't make it true - and in fact it's not true as has been demonstrated over and over. But I'm not going round and round with you on this. You present opinion, not scientific evidence and I'm not creating a curriculum called "Faith's opinion for wavering fundamentalists". JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Edge writes: ETA: If Percy feels that we are getting off topic I am not going to pursue this any further. I realize that I'm not Percy and I don't intend to spend much time myself with Faith's amazing nonsense, but I will say that if her nonsense motivates people to post educational things about Tennessee Geology as is currently happening (I'm in Tennessee), then I'm getting my moneys worth. I have come to see Faith for what she is here -- a way to bring reliable knowledge from the background to the foreground and a way to highlight during my education the thought processes of my intended targets. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Sorry I missed this post dwise1. Just saw it.
It's a lot like and related to the moon BS that they throw around. The way the the tides impact the transfer of energy from earth to moon is so freakin' cool. Understanding the part continental drift has played in it all is a really fun part of it all and something I want to touch on in my segments. This will fit in with that. ThanksJB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Faith writes: Yeah, so you all believe, without knowing it IS just a belief, a prejudice. Sigh. I have a nice hunch that the thousands of geologists and thousands upon thousands of man years of time spend digging, drilling, exploring, mapping, mining and testing the geologic structures here in Tennessee alone trumps mere belief by a good margin. Are you experienced with any hands-on geology here in Tennessee? Any? Any at all? The difference between prejudice and knowledge is experience. JB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
So this guy (SDA Evangelist Doug Batchelor) is a primary focus of the 'debunking' portions of my program as my family thinks he's just the Bomb. He essentially tries to "out Hovind" Hovind in his talks. I've actually made good progress with my family regarding his credibility by showing just how bad his crap is.
Here is a 25 second clip where he makes an amazing claim regarding saline and carbon dating. Normally I can find stuff like this floating around and figure out where it came from, but I'm coming up blank in this regard on this topic. Any suggestions? Though I shortened the clip for brevity, he IS talking C14 dating here, even though he's talking fossil dating. This claim follow the usual Hovind style Clam and Woolly Mammoth claims. Thanks
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Well, they're Ron Wyatt fans so that sort of puts anything they say in perspective.
The Stones of Exodus - Archaeology Expert
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
So I've searched high and low and using search terms like "C14 saline leach[ing]" and all I get are references to that one site and dead end from there.
At first I suspected that he was just confusing the reservoir effect and thinking it was a salt water issue, but now I'm guessing that it has to do with the claims of this website. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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I would think that something like saline, if it leached at all would leach C12 just like C14 and leave the ratio the same, but what do I know.
JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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A total draft first attempt at a video put together for a family member who is trying to understand dating methods. It's not public on YouTube nor will this one ever be.
I'm putting together three of these for her -- meant to be in the order of how the age of the earth was figured out. First through relative dating (this video) then later through the observation of geologic processes such as deposition and erosion (next video) and then finally through RM dating (final video). Just posting it up to show what I've been up to (and to say thanks to the many who have been helping educate me). I truly don't expect folk to sit through a 30 minute vid of such basics. Here is what I emailed her with the video:
quote: JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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While SO may people contributed and continue to contribute to my knowledge regarding the basics of geology, I want to especially thank Dr. Adequate and Edge for their patience and sharing. The online ebook from Dr. Adequate was a particularly valuable resource.
Thanks to all. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
46&2 writes: ...it certainly wasn't the source of the claim, since the video is a couple years older. The video was recorded 2005. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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The interesting thing I'm encountering with my intended audience (family and friends at the moment), is that my credibility skyrockets with them every time I spend the time to research and debunk the lies. The more blatant the lie, the more they keep thinking "hmmm ... perhaps we've been bamboozled".
Here was my latest, (though it's all stuff that you guys have seen forever so I'm not trying to claim originality) Hovind slide: (their guy Batchelor steals from Hovind a lot)
I had to dig for the original article (and then reformat the totally screwed up txt formatting), but as I expected from the date of the article, there was not the word "radio" nor "carbon" in the entire article, let alone "radiocarbon". The article was published 3 months BEFORE Libby published his first results (curve of the knowns) and so of course it had to not be true. When I show them that Hovind and Batchelor just make shit up, it helps my case a LOT. JB
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
YES!!
Had this exact conversation with one of them just a few days ago. Scott (brother in law) is of course very worried at the impact I'm having on the family and he was saying "Well, the difference is that you believe 'your guy' and I believe mine". Of course I responded with "I don't believe ANY ONE GUY on matters of importance" It's hard for them to fathom that we don't make decisions the same way they do. Yes, slow and painful JB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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