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That's because I don't SEE any evidence of institutionalized racism in the Chicago Police Department as you presented it, and I certainly did address what you presented.If there is a higher proportion of crime in the community as a whole that explains the higher incidence of searching for contraband. If more contraband is found in white vehicles, that should eventually affect the profiling, perhaps, but if the standard is the proportion of crime in the community it will probably continue. In any case the search is based on an assessment of probability, not racism.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You don't need a majority, all you need is a higher proportion.Your comparison of racial groups with the "group" of the entire male sex is ridiculous.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Rejecting some evidence as wrong on the basis of its contradicting God is not rejecting evidence, it's saying the evidence is flawed and there is good reason for believing that. God is God, if what you call evidence contradicts Him the evidence is wrong. This is not an objection to evidence as such. Such distinctions are really not all that hard to grasp but there seems to be an ingrained inability at EvC to grasp them nevertheless.The fact that institutionalized racism is "accepted" doesn't mean it's based on reality.If you want to cut down on crime, work WITHIN the communities with the highest crime rates. Blaming it on external factors is a dead end.

Yeah, I knew you couldn't think your way out of your paper bag. If it contradicts GOD, then I am rejecting evidence with the best of reasonable causes. DO think for a change. Well, you've failed to supply me some reason to bother to read your link, though perhaps eventually I will nevertheless. Or won't. Pleading guilty to a PC charge of racism may be the quickest way to get the PC hounds off their case for all I know. Or they're buying into the PC position that what's in our minds should be subjected to scriptiny by Big Brother, and not really caring whether the facts bear out the usual PC assumption, which keeps turning out not to be the case every time somebody posts some supposed evidence here.

I have answered that. They aren't keeping track of how many of what race are found with contraband, they are going by what they know about the proportion of crime within certain communities. If you want them to go by the percentage of a race found with contraband then you are going to have to tell them to start thinking that way.

How could target shooting at all black mugshots NOT be racist?Maybe if there wasn't a single white mugshot to be had...Even then shooting at faces at all ought to bother them.

I'd be happy to hear whatever stories you want to tell.

I can believe all that. I thought you were going to have some stories you'd been told by black friends. That would be interesting too.I had a similar experience years ago but with my Jewish friend. We were fifteen, I was in a new town and had managed to get to age fifteen without ever meeting anyone Jewish. My aunt had asked me if my friend was Jewish and I'd said I didn't know. I asked my friend and she was uncomfortable but told me yes. I thought she was the most beautiful girl I had ever seen though she always seemed to be cringing as if she wanted to hide. We did become very good friends. One day we walked from her house to an ice cream parlor and ordered cones. The guy behind the counter completely ignored her and waited on me before finally waiting on her. It was very noticeable, he made a point of it. I would have expected a young guy to wait on the beautiful girl instead of me. I asked my friend about it as we left. She explained, looking very uncomfortable.ABE: My ex is Jewish, my half-Jewish daughter is even more beautiful than my friend. After moving to Nevada I encountered similar incidents of discrimination against me. It hasn't happened in years, maybe because I don't get out much any more, but it was very obvious at the time. Two main incidents in stores. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

My problem is that from all the descriptions of the incident with Michael Brown I couldn't, and can't, see racism on the part of Darren Wilson. Now the new investigation has brought up some racist communications in the police department. Well, that's good evidence of a general trend at least. All I want is evidence. Your stories are good evidence I think, of more racism than I'm in a position to be aware of. But the reports of these police incidents that are behind all the protests failed to produce any evidence of racism to my mind. So the protests just hit me as unjustifiable mayhem based on nothing. Myers produces some more general evidence. It is a relief to think the protests aren't just an excuse for violence.

You really don't understand that all you've said in those posts is allegations, not evidence?

I read those posts, and I read them a second time when you referenced them. They don't prove what you allege, they just allege it. You allege that it's from "something bigger," but you haven't proved this.Perhaps you need to read them again yourself.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't see how. I don't think I made any claims about when it started. It's a slogan alleging racism. Until the racism is proved it's just an allegation.

I agree the Hinton case is terribly sad and there are a lot more like his. Probably usually racist but not always. His lawyer's talk to the TED group was more about poverty than race. The REAL cause is the moral failure of the prosecutors, whatever their particular motivation in a particular case.

I don't think it's "the system," it's the moral failure of the "public servants" that makes for so many cases of injustice. The best system couldn't rise above the moral level of its officials, and even the worst system could be improved by officials with a conscience.

Contributing, OK. But in the case of Hinton it was a failure to acknowledge that forensic evidence should have exonerated him and that's a human moral failure, where an honest assessment of the evidence would have made the state's policy irrelevant.This was very similar to the case of Michael Morton a white man who was convicted of the murder of his wife, where there was evidence that was ignored until 24 years later when DNA testing finally exonerated him. They had ignored a bloody bandana found on the property and also ignored his child's saying it was a "monster" and not his father who killed his mother. Plus the fact that he'd been at work all day and there were witnesses to that fact. Not racism in this case, or poverty either, just moral failure to care enough to follow through on the evidence.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.