taiji2's complaint

Typical. You presented a quote of mine without presenting the entire quote. My assumption is you wish to lose the context. Very convenient.I call this diversion. Perhaps straw man. hmmmmm And your authority for saying that is.................? The truth is that god creating the natural laws is logically implied from the idea that creation came from nothing. Arguments from a microcosm suggesting a priori dismissal of views from any not within that microcosm might be considered frivolous and argumentative. I certainly consider them such.Edited by taiji2, : oops, left out your quote... full quote by the way

We will see. It is what logically came to my mind, considering what creation implies and what nothingness is understood to be. I expect to find better minds than mine to argue the details.You have not answered my now specific question. What are you going to do when creationists claim natural laws as part of gods' creation. Where will you argue from when they claim your science as their own and propose you have misused it?

thank you. that is very much the response I expected. The vultures circle.don't want to answer a direct question, huh?

Nowhere will you ever find me arguing the bible as god's inerrant word. Are you making a point referencing something I have said, or just offering interesting commentary?By the way, my specific question has not been answered. I would love to hear your answer to it.

Your honor, will you please instruct the witness to answer the question as directed?Judge: answer the question

Interestingly, I know a judge. I went to school with him and he is in town. I doubt he would have said that. The game is fun though, by all means continue ..... take all the rope you want.

Dr. Adequate,
Ok, what is your evidence for what existed prior to the big bang.

jar,
long time no see.
that comment was as sensible as your first,
welcome to buzzards row. your prattling will be seen with amusement but not much more.

Thank you for a rare honest answer from this forum. Should I decide to return and reengage the debate, a good place to begin will be at the beginning. There we can both admit we don't have evidence and go forward.

Ringo,
I have been often chastised for not staying on topic, hence my comment above. But you are right of course. I should think harder. Therefore, please direct me to a thread on the forum where the idea of creation bringing something from nothing is debated. I have my own understanding of that idea in context of the Taoist cosmology. The christian idea of day one of creation has similarities. I am not interested in debating the christian day five thing about the origin of life at this time.Point me in the right direction and I will go there and try to stay on topic.

Perhaps I should have said straight forward answer rather than honest answer. Poor choice of words. I apologize. Snideness was not intended but I see how you could see it implied from my word choice. I have asked advice of ringo on where I can go and not be speaking off-topic. In my opinion, no. This is a debate on creation. Creation speaks of something coming from nothing. Debate on that nothingness and how something came from it is on-topic in my opinion.