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Faith 
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Message 4 of 40 (733863)
07-22-2014 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
07-22-2014 10:12 AM


No
Yes, all creatures were vegetarian from the Creation, but after the Flood God specifically told Noah that they should now eat meat:
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
One commentator speculates that this might be because the land was agriculturally poorer after the Flood.
I've also speculated that all things were genetically poorer after the Flood so that meat would be the most reliable source of nutrition.
In the New Testament teachers who forbid the eating of meat are strongly condemned:
1Ti 4:1-4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
So no, Christians are not in any sense required to go vegetarian and enforcing such an idea would be very wrong.
Nevertheless there is also no command against going vegetarian if you want to, and of course it is always right to minimize the suffering of animals.

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Message 36 of 40 (734067)
07-25-2014 3:22 AM
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07-24-2014 1:59 AM


Reclaiming the pre-Fall condition; and is vegetarianism OK
Whether we should be trying to recover the pre-Fall state: no, partly because as CS said we are going on to something better, but also because it isn't in our power to reclaim any of it. Jesus' death set the stage for God to re-make the whole Creation when the time comes, but right now we are in an interim period, saved but not perfected. I don't think we'll go back to nakedness -- there seems to be a fashion in white linen among the perfected saints. And the only way to go back to nakedness would be in a state of complete innocence, but we've certainly lost that and can never get it back.
Also, you said back a ways that God's telling Noah they should now eat meat seemed to imply that they couldn't choose to be vegetarians as if it was a command to eat meat. But there are at least two instances where meat was rejected, both by the prophet Daniel, first as a teenager in Babylon when he and his friends refused to eat Nebuchadnezzar's meat, because it would have been sacrificed to idols, and had to prove to the eununch in charge of them that they would be glowing with health rather than sickly if permitted to eat only vegetables. The other time was a fast Daniel did that eliminated meat completely for three weeks. This isn't exactly an example of "going vegetarian" but it suggests that there's certainly nothing wrong with choosing to eat vegetarian if you want to or have a reason to.
ABE: Thought of another example:
Rom 14:2-3 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 39 of 40 (734074)
07-25-2014 5:19 AM
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07-25-2014 4:52 AM


Re: Reclaiming the pre-Fall condition; and is vegetarianism OK
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
I don't think the idea ever was that nudity was "dirty," it's more like you feel exposed and vulnerable, all your sins open to public view. Not that nudity itself is the sinful thing but that it's symbolic of the exposure of your sins. God clothed Adam and Eve with animal skins, which is understood to be a prophetic type of Christ's sacrifice for sin. "Covering" is protection.
I took the "should" in "should eat meat" as a recommendation that had to do with better health and strength, not a command. Up until modern times people led hard physical lives, and especially if agriculture wasn't very productive meat would have been the best option for nutrition. The eunuch's worry that Daniel and friends would become sickly on nothing but "herbs" shows the prevailing mentality. I suppose we have to assume that God preserved their health miraculously through their diet of vegetables. But now, when conditions of life have so generally improved, there's no reason not to go back to living on "herbs."
ABE: Oh but the "weakness" mentioned in connection with eating only vegetables in the New Testament had nothng to do with physical weakness. It was the weakness of faith: these people were super aware of the practice of sacrificing meat to idols and didn't have the faith not to have their conscience taken captive by that knowledge. The "strong" in faith just ignored the sacrifice to idols as meaningless.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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