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Author | Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
To me, church is not a classroom where folks question what they believe--its a place where folks share their belief. Besides...I am unsure at this point what it is exactly that I believe...apart from my unwavering belief that GOD understands...and cares.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ah yes. The term for that is "Confirmation Bias".
That is a big part of the problem.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
How can you share it if you don't know what it is?
To me, church is not a classroom where folks question what they believe--its a place where folks share their belief. Besides...I am unsure at this point what it is exactly that I believe...
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes: To me, church is not a classroom where folks question what they believe--its a place where folks share their belief. Besides...I am unsure at this point what it is exactly that I believe...apart from my unwavering belief that GOD understands...and cares. To which jar replies:
Ah yes. The term for that is "Confirmation Bias". That is a big part of the problem. I think that I understand your position. Joe Woods always challenged you to think, but what I'm referring to is the worship service... We both know that the United States suffers from confirmation bias.
jar,in another thread writes: There are some real problems in the US, a lousy health care system, almost non-existent mental health system, an increasing gap between poor and rich, dynamic changes in what jobs are available and a for shit education system, almost non-existent news distribution and education, a large percentage of the population that are totally out of touch with reality and a large percentage of the population that think only in bumper sticker sized bites. And I realize that U.S. charismatic/fundamentalist Club Christian have some real problems with confirmation bias. My point is that a worship service should be a place where people agree--if but a moment---whom it is they are worshiping and singing praises to. After all, you refer to yourself as a cradle creedal christian....surely you dont question the Nicene Creed, do you?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: How can you share it (my belief) if you don't know what it is? Mr. Ringo---as an agnostic, do you still leave a line of communication open should God ever decide to call you?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Ringo writes:
Isn't God capable of ringing the phone even when it's off the hook?
Mr. Ringo---as an agnostic, do you still leave a line of communication open should God ever decide to call you?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes: Of course. God could force everyone to acknowledge His presence but it is said that the Spirit is a perfect gentleman. Isn't God capable of ringing the phone even when it's off the hook? Of course I suppose that to a logical mind, He could send a lifeboat, a helicopter and a paramedic should you ever need them. Perhaps the bigger question is whether or not you would recognize the ringtone when He did call you.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course I question the Nicene Creed.
Real worship is what you do, not what you say.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ringo writes:
"It is said" by humans - who are no more likely to be right than I am.
Of course. God could force everyone to acknowledge His presence but it is said that the Spirit is a perfect gentleman. Phat writes:
You can ask yourself that same question: Is the phone ringing or is it all in your head?
Perhaps the bigger question is whether or not you would recognize the ringtone when He did call you.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Touche
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: What I man is what a person chooses to affirm. Once I affirm that I believe in a Creed, for example, I would be silly to be forever doubting what I had affirmed. Of course we test on a daily basis---"How Do You Know It's God" is a great example...but I don't forever question whether God exists or if Jesus is alive today. These beliefs have been settled. Now....as you have brought up before, if I am honest I know that I could be wrong. I also know that I wont know for sure until at least after I die...barring any miracles. Of course I question the Nicene Creed. It would be pretty silly though for me to one day affirm that I believe in the Creator of all seen and unseen and then the next day question that belief. Of course I suppose if I had terminal cancer and was dying and broke I would likely question it then.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Identifying false religions
jar writes: If there really is a GOD, the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, then that GOD is further from a human than a human is from slime mold. A human has about as much a likelihood of knowing or understanding that GOD as slime mold has of knowing or understanding a human. Except the possibility that that Being may allow for us to understand it. We as humans do not have the power to allow slime mold to understand us...theoretically. The fact that GOD could provide a method or mediation for us to understand Him...if but a little...is quite possible.
jar,talking to Straggler writes: Are you suggesting that the closer we are to claiming to understand GOD, the less it makes GOD out to be? I don't deny that GOD is far beyond our capacity to ever fully understand. I am arguing the idea that we may be able to get a glimpse of how GOD is because GOD allowed the communion to take place. Not because of any understanding we ourselves ever arrived at. The fact that we are unable to understand or even describe something does not imply that that entity does not exist. Now if I laid claim that I could describe, understand, know or actually commune with GOD you might have something. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I would suggest that people who claim to understand God often seem to understand less than the av-er-age bear.
Are you suggesting that the closer we are to claiming to understand GOD, the less it makes GOD out to be?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
so in other words, those who claim to be wise are but fools...while fools who admit they are fools are given wisdom?
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote:Claiming to understand God or to commune with God is pretty much like idolatry.
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