Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?

Jaywill writes:You think that just because on some minor point here and there you can successfully argue about the behavior of some amino acid or other minutia that you have the rational high ground on evolution.

By the way, if you want to talk about sounding foolish, I'll remember your tag id and point out how foolish you sound to more astute Bible students. I'll be examining your comprehension of the Bible. And when you make some comment that I find rather stupid in its comprehension of the Bible, I'll point it out to you in turn.

Tangle, the subject here is "Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?"Do you KNOW that we are NOT ?

jaywill writes:Then get out of the Bible Study Forum already. Go nourish your alternative beliefs in one of the pseudo science rooms.

Jaywill writes:Oh that's good. What do you think the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, for example, is about ? Outline the chapter for me, WITHOUT examining anyone else's outline.

tangle writes:You won't find me talking much about the bible, I have very little interest in it.

Jaywill writes:No outline of Romans 8 or John 17 ? I'm disappointed.

What's your best example of a internal contradiction in the Bible ?

Phat writes:Then what the heck are you doing in the Bible Study Forum?

phat writes:Do you honestly think that your own wisdom makes reality plain to you? One arrogant human on one planet surrounding one star out of hundreds of billions...stands atop his tiny pedestal and proclaims that there is no God and that the Bible is a simple book for bronze age peasants??

Phat writes:This comes close to breaking Forum Guidelines. You simply dont use evolution as an answer in a Bible study Forum. Can any admins help me out here?

"Faitheist, if you are interested in the more scientific aspects of this question you might go to YouTube and look up a series of videos by Dr. Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist. The name of the series is Who Was Adam?.
Though Ross is an astrophysicist he has an organization called Reasons to Believe and works in conjunction with other creation scientists. I am not qualified to give wholesale agreement or disagreement. But he gets the discussion going in a balanced and scientific way.Its 11 videos. Here's the first one -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo8T1_PArJY

Jaywill writes:Why ? Certainly not because you deny the original title and intent of Charles Darwin's book -" On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. "
Care to try some more revision of history ?

"Race" to a 19th century naturalist simply meant distinct populations within a specific species, not necessarily human races. Indeed, human races, nor even human evolution are not discussed at all in Darwin's first book on evolution. And as such, given as how the "races" mentioned in Darwin's book included various pigeon and pig breeds, as well as certain mollusks, any claim that suggests that Darwin was "racist" is totally absurd.Whoever makes or uses this claim has never so much as read any of Darwin's works, especially since "On the Origin of Species" never discusses human evolution in the first place."Race," ala "racial variant," is still used by modern-day biologists to refer to different populations within species, with no racist connotations, in fact."The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" is the subtitle of Darwin's Origin of Species. It can be taken to mean the same thing as the later phrase "survival of the fittest" which was not coined by Darwin. The phrase illustrates a consequence of, not a basis for, evolution.

jaywill writes:But, hey, to criticize evolution is to not understand evolution here. So ...

Darwin writes:What did Darwin mean ?

Jaywill writes:I am presently reading Origin of Species by Charles Darwin.

NosyNed writes:Darwin didn't discover evolution

It is important to note that Darwin himself recognized that others had discovered natural selection at least in basic outline before (and after) he had. He did not avoid sharing credit to the extent that it was due. In light of this history, one could argue that because natural selection as a mechanism had been proposed by several authors that it would have been discovered and recognized as important eventually, even without Darwin's input -- and, indeed, it probably would have, as would Newton's laws of motion, Einstein's theory of relativity, and other fundamental principles describing the natural world. On the other hand, the idea had been around for at least six decades before Darwin published the Origin, and it was not until someone of Darwin's genius developed the idea that evolution assumed its position as the underlying theme of all biology.

Coyote writes:"Savage" is a cultural condition, not a race.

JOHN THE SAVAGE
the illicit son of the Director and Linda. He was born and reared on the Savage Reservation ("Malpais") after Linda was unwittingly left behind by her errant lover. John the Savage is an outsider both on the Reservation - where the ignorant natives still practise marriage, natural birth, family life and religion - and the ostensibly civilised Brave New World: a totalitarian welfare-state based on principles of stability and happiness, albeit happiness of a shallow and insipid nature. The Savage has read nothing but The Complete Works of William Shakespeare. He quotes them extensively and, for the most part, aptly, though his allusion to "Brave New World" [Miranda's words in The Tempest] takes on a darker and bitterly ironic resonance as the novel unfolds. John the Savage is intensely moral. He is also somewhat nave. In defiance of BNW's social norms, he falls romantically in love with Lenina, but spurns her premature sexual advances. After his mother Linda's death, the Savage becomes ever more disillusioned with utopian society. Its technological wonders and soulless consumerism are no substitute for individual freedom, human dignity and personal integrity. He debates passionately and eruditely with World Controller Mustapha Mond on the competing merits of primitivism versus the World State. After his spontaneous bid to stir revolt among the lower castes has failed, the Savage retreats to an old abandoned lighthouse, whips himself in remorse for his sins, and gloomily cultivates his garden. But he is hounded by reporters and hordes of intrusive brave new worlders. Guilt-ridden, the Savage finally hangs himself after - we are given to infer - he has taken the soma he so despises and succumbed to an orgiastic debauch.

Jaywill writes:PS I am presently reading from cover to cover "Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin as challenged during this discussion. I will oblique this criticism.