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Author Topic:   A Better Theory: In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan
Jon
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Message 6 of 78 (698359)
05-05-2013 11:49 PM


Is there a problem of severe malnourishment in the general population?

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Message 11 of 78 (698428)
05-06-2013 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
05-06-2013 7:49 AM


One of the interesting ironies of the success of modern industrial food production is doctors seeing increasing numbers of kids who are both obese and undernourished.
What are they eating though?
Is it because they are eating all that fertilized corn or because they are eating all those processed corn chips?
Even if the corn had all its original nutrients in it, would it really matter when the kids aren't eating the stuff anyway unless its been processed, oiled, greased, and salted?
Over time our food has become less nutritious by the objective measures available to us today, and who knows how much worse the situation is than we actually know given the things we don't measure because we don't know they're important, or can't measure, or haven't even discovered yet.
But what are we measuring? Changes in the nutritional value of the base crop or changes in the nutritional value of the stuff that goes into people's mouths?
If people didn't eat McDonalds and Pringles all day, I really don't think they would be still fat and of poor health just because the nutritional value of corn has generally gone down through the years.
Pollan advises that it is best to simply ignore the claims of the food and nutritional industries and simply eat food. Locally grown normal, everyday food.
Sounds good. Whatever is in the corn (or isn't in the corn) it's better for you than what's in the corn chips.
But how much else might the western diet be responsible for? Increasing rates of autism? ADHD? Asthma? Pollan doesn't mention these problems, but his book does make one wonder.
We are a society of chemicals. I was doing some random surfing the other day and came across a claim that testosterone levels are decreasing in the population with each generationlikely from increased exposure to poisonous chemicals in food packaging.
So where do we go with this? Even with my processed food, disrupted endocrine system, and who knows what else I still chance to live longer than folks in developing societies. It would be good to get a handle on these problems, but even if we don't, is the tradeoff not still worth it?
Jon

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Message 14 of 78 (698440)
05-07-2013 12:44 AM
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05-06-2013 11:17 PM


After all, the US is 40th in the world for longevity. Is Cuba a developing country? They're ahead of us. How about Chile or Cyprus? They're ahead of us, too. Guadeloupe? Yep, them too. Greece? Yep. And they're all accomplishing this longevity without anything near the quality of US healthcare.
I think this is a matter of other problems, some food related. I don't think that the drop in nutritional level for base crops is the driving force behind low longevity in the U.S. when compared to other countries.
On the food side, I think getting people to switch to diets of regular foods (as you say Pollan suggests) and getting away from processed and fast food is about the best we can do.
Why won't that fix things?
Are the nutritional shortcomings of base crops so great that the food can't do its job anymore?

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Message 41 of 78 (698514)
05-07-2013 6:07 PM
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05-07-2013 3:19 AM


...yes. Look how we vote. Look at the scholastic standings against the rest of civilization. Yes. Houston, we have a problem.
You attribute this to malnourishment?

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Message 46 of 78 (698560)
05-08-2013 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by onifre
05-07-2013 11:37 AM


Re: The right calories
Instead of that, you have two apples (locally grown) and you have less calories and much more nutritional value.
I'd be sick from all the sugar with nothing to balance it out.

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