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Wise Inactive Member |
Yes, and Hindus and Sikhs and every other follower of any god in the celestial zoo SAW what they SAW and FELT what they FELT. You totally ignore this fact in your reply, probably because it kills your fantasy stone dead. Their's are FALSE. Mine was REAL. Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
No, you believe it was real. There is no reason for anyone else to think it was. I know of one other individual who was CLINICALLY dead... I mean D-E-A-D. They had to SHOCK him to bring him back. He said he KNOWS there is an afterlife. He saw his Dad and Grandpa waving at him in the distance. Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
This Pastor was dead and brought back to life after *2* days !
He had an NDE
Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Ok, wise, I know you never read links, but I'll hope against hope.... That man is Daniel Ekechukwu. When you get that flock of flying pigs, sit down with them to read why this is not true (from here). Also, when the sun rises in the west over the icy landscape of hell, you can read the contradictory accounts of this story here. I'll be waiting in the barn to hear what your comments are, since I know you'll read the links when the cows come home. There are ALWAYS skeptics even in the Christian realm. But this Pastor would have NO REASON to lie. Wise ------------------
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Wise Inactive Member |
Wise You show us a picture of a man holding a piece of paper and give us no way to follow up the story to see if it was true or not.Hell, we don't even know if he wasa pastor,as though that means he is above personal deception. Follow this up with some decent work would you? http://www.shepherdserve.org/special_reports/daniel1.htm Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Wise What makes the pastor incapable of lying? One would suppose that nearly anyone would be capable of lying...BUT, in the said story there was a number of individuals involved which would have made his task of lying very very difficult if the Pastor chose to do so. In looking up other NDE'S on the net I noticed that several of them had very similar stories to mine most notably: #1-That time does not exist as we know it. #2-Their lives flashing before their eyes very quickly #3-Extremely bright light #4-A feeling of warmth and peace Not long ago, perhaps a few years there was a documentary on the set which had those who experienced NDE'S.I remember one man who was pronounced clinically dead and who said he wanted to go back. Why? He was experiencing a great amount of pain in his body and he felt pure peace in the afterlife. He said he did not want to be here anymore. Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Wise, I think the best way to know that God exists and that there is an afterlife is because that is what He tells us in the Bible. To others: as someone with at least some background in neuroscience, both clinical and theoretical, I think the best anyone (Christian, non-Christian, or anyone else) can say regarding NDEs is "that is certainly interesting, and voting one way or the other is really just speculation whatever your background or research interests." Anything more would seem to be speaking out of turn. GOooossssssssshhhhhhhh......I feel admonished. But hey..........Death is part of life and these experiences are indeed fascinating. They certainly strike a dagger into the heart of atheism. Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Your proof that their visions were false is what exactly? You really haven't got the hang of constructing an argument have you? Based on this defect of yours, I conclude that God has not sent you back to inform atheists, if He did then you would be just a tad more convincing. I think it is time you owned up to being an atheist having a carry on. It was funny for a while but it is getting boring now. Brian. You appear to be suffering from something. Backslidden perhaps? Ideas of NDE'S haunting you? Well, I have some bad news....yes...some very bad news. Many NDE'S are NOT pleasant and involve a place called hell. Behold:http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html Wise [This message has been edited by Wise, 11-09-2003]
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Wise Inactive Member |
What a peculiar statement! They point the way to lots of possible research on brain chemistry - especially the "bright white light" phenomenon that the Tibetan Book of the Dead talks about - but they don't have doodley to do with atheism. They point to an AFTERLIFE. Something in which Christianity espouses and atheism REJECTS.MANY individuals SAW JESUS. So NDE'S most CERTAINLY strike a dagger into the heart of atheism One case has a nurse who records *50* such NDE'S and all of them had out of body experiences that recollected nearly everything that took place in the operating room in which the individual were totally unconscious or clinacally dead. Wise --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Wise Inactive Member |
And yet, they say the exact same thing using the exact same evidence. Why should anybody believe you over them? Because my NDE has MORE HISTORY and MORE evidence SUPPORTING the NDE from a religious (Biblical) perspective, theirs does NOT. PLUS I had one PLUS, there is Smith Wigglesworth who was supoposed to have raised some *23 people from the DEAD. Astonishing ! Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Nothing. Charged particles are that way simply because there is no other way for them to be. Charged particles aren't like taking a glass rod and rubbing it with silk so that it carries a static charge. Electrons have a negative charge because that's what makes them electrons. If they had a positive charge, they'd be positrons. What exactly about Maxwell's Equations do you misunderstand? E = r/e0E = -B/t B = 0 B = m0J + m0e0E/t Yeaaahh...Riiigght. NOTHING charges particles? You MUST have attended Saint Atheist school of higher learning. SOMETHING is charging those particles and let us NOT FORGET that the brain EMITS an electromatic field of some sort which is the soul and spirit eminating energy and keeping the body alive. This would be a more accurate equation: e V 58e 47IIBA07C7E E$$IA$5&7587se 5 IV7s3rVe 45& h5&E$7ehE04 rE0 De 587 ... Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Electrons have a soul? Quantum mechanics describes the soul? They very well COULD WHEN it pertains to the mind (Conscious) Behold: Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic Field Wise [This message has been edited by Wise, 11-09-2003]
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Wise Inactive Member |
You mean the school where we use physics textbooks instead of saying "God did it"? Yup. If you're so smart maybe you can tell us what an uncharged electron would be, and where we could find one. And THAT is the problem. This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of how Science STAGNATES without God! Let me explain..... Electricty , in the body,can only be explained just SO FAR by Science. When one leaves God out of the equation Science FALTERS and STAGNATES.The CONSCIOUS is unexplainable. BIBLICALLY it CAN BE EXPLAINED, but the problem is,...Science REFUSES to acknowledge that man JUST MIGHT...JUST MIGHT....BE MORE than flesh and blood! So Science, absent from God, DIIIEESSSSS ! BUT there IS hope ! There is someone from the UK who discovered something ! He just hasn't called it a SOUL yet! Behold: Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic Field Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Did you even think about answering my question before you posted? I doubt it. Do you read your own links? That researcher isn't proposing a soul. He's proposing that consciousness doesn't require a soul. He's proposing a totally naturalistic model of human consciousness that leaves no room for God. That's fine with me but I don't see how it supports your position. He is speaking of an "electromagnetic field" that can make up the conscious. Of course he is not calling it a soul, but he IS CLOSE, very very close. Perhaps he might be an atheist with an OPEN mind but afraid to call it what it is....A SOUL. QUOTE: The theory solves many previously intractable problems of consciousness and could have profound implications for our concepts of mind, free will, *spirituality,* the design of artificial intelligence, *and even life and death,* he said. Looks like he mentions "God" and "soul" in an indirect way Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
No, it is not "well-known". It is practiced in some religions and is a folk remedy for certain ailments, but is not particularly supported by science. You don't know what you are talkimg about Fasting has been practiced since thw dawn of man and has been known to be very helpful physically in a variety of ways. RESEARCH is JUST NOW beginning to discover its benefits INCLUDING an "INCREASED LIFESPAN" http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm
No, it doesn't. The liver does that and fasting only hinders this activity. Again, you are B-L-I-N-D. Fasting DOES INDEED rid the body of toxins but it may be best to be on a Juice or vegatable fast instead of an all water fast depending on ones health. If you ook at ones tongue after about 3 days of a fast it begins to eliminate toxins. One can actually scrape the tongue and have the residue examined.One individual had DDT on his tongue. Page not found - Moondragon
The most drastic way to reduce caloric intake is to stop eating completely. After a few days, body fats and proteins are metabolized to produce energy. The fats are broken down into fatty acids that can be used as fuel. In the absence of adequate carbohydrate, the fatty acids may be incompletely metabolized, yielding ketone bodies and thus ketosis. Prolonged fasting is unsafe, because it causes the body to begin to digest proteins from its muscles, heart, and other internal organs. Weight loss? Of course there is weight loss. But during the process the body is eliminating deadly toxins. Keep in mind that a long fast may NOT be good for SOME people but short fasts are ALWAYS beneficial to some point.
Fasts are not beneficial. Fasts force the body to break down muscle and organ tissue in order to survive. AND they RID the body of TOXINS thus EXTENDING LIFE. quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In many cases it can bring deadly cancers under control. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim. I KNOW someone who it HAPPENED to with the lung. I ALSO know someone who ELIMINATED some cancer. It IS PROVEN. ATHEISTS are WAY BEHIND in science when it comes to fasting. WAY WAY BEHIND. Wise
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