NDE

Wise writes:

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So, to the atheists...what...just IF you are wrong?

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BZZZZT!Pascal's Wager. I'm so sorry, Wise. Johnny, tell him what parting gifts he has!Well, Bob, Wise has won himself a lifetime of anguish in someone else's hell! Yes, that's right. After spending all of his life fighting against Satan and worshipping the Christian god, Wise gets a reward of going straight to Hades for his hubris. He'll be sentenced to solve a series of puzzles for which the instructions can be read in many ways. Every attempt to glean more information will be met with "Since it would just be a waste of my time to tell you, I won't." Of course, every proposed solution will conflict with something in the contradictory instructions. This being for his continued insistence that those around him are unworthy of explanations.But, he won't get hungry because he'll have an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat.You didn't really think that the god that truly exists is the Christian one, did you?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise responds to me:

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You didn't really think that the god that truly exists is the Christian one, did you?

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That is the ONLY one I felt.

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No, that is what you think you felt.Are you absolutely certain that the source behind what you felt wasn't playing a trick on you?At any rate, your response is irrelevant. You claim was a question of "what if atheists are wrong." Well, that means nothing. Just because atheists are wrong doesn't mean you are right. There are a plethora of religions out there. Both you and atheists might both be wrong.It is quite possible that the source behind all existence is a trickster and deliberately tries to make people believe in things that aren't true in order to weed out the gullible from those who need to be taught a lesson.Nobody denies what you felt.The problem is in regard to your claim that what you felt has the cosmic significance you are ascribing to it.------------------
Rrhain
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Oh, I'm going to regret this....Wise writes:

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That electricity HAS A SOURCE of power. What is it?

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The motion of electrically charged particles. That's what electricity is. Usually, it is the motion of electrons (they're small compared to protons and stable compared to quarks.)Are you now going to question the accuracy of quantum electrodynamics?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise responds to me:

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The motion of electrically charged particles. That's what electricity is. Usually, it is the motion of electrons (they're small compared to protons and stable compared to quarks.)
Are you now going to question the accuracy of quantum electrodynamics?

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WHAT exactly...CHARGED those particles?

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Nothing. Charged particles are that way simply because there is no other way for them to be. Charged particles aren't like taking a glass rod and rubbing it with silk so that it carries a static charge.Electrons have a negative charge because that's what makes them electrons. If they had a positive charge, they'd be positrons.What exactly about Maxwell's Equations do you misunderstand?ÑE = r/e₀
ÑE = -B/t
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ÑB = m₀J + m₀e₀E/t

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It HAS to be a soul and spirit. There is NO OTHER answer.

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Electrons have a soul?Quantum mechanics describes the soul?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise responds to me:

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Nobody denies what you felt.

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The problem is in regard to your claim that what you felt has the cosmic significance you are ascribing to it.

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I TOLD the TROOPER and she agreed.

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Irrelevant. The question is not that you had an experience.The question is what that experience means.When we go to see David Copperfield or Penn and Teller, we see fantastical feats. Things disappear right before our eyes.Does that mean they have occult powers? Nobody denies that you saw something disappear.The question is whether or not the disappearance means what you claim it means.

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This was a GENUINE NDE.

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Nobody denies that. You had a horrible accident. You had a vision.Since when did having a vision mean that it was necessarily a supernatural vision?How can you tell?

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I know....this is VERY VERY hard for hardcore atheists to accept.

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Who said I was an atheist?You, too, see to think that the only alternative to your opinion about god is to think there is no god.Have you considered the possibility that god does exist but not in the way you think?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise writes:

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What is the SOURCE of electricity?

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ÑE = r/e₀
ÑE = -B/t
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ÑB = m₀J + m₀e₀E/tWhat about this do you not understand?

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It is known that the electrical impulses originate from the brain.

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Incorrect.It is known that the electrical impulses originate from the motion of charged particles. Those charged particles happen to take place inside of the brain, but there is nothing special about the charged particles simply for being inside a brain.Or are you saying that the chemistry that takes place inside of a cell is of a fundamentally different form than the chemistry that takes place outside of a cell?

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Next HOW does the Nodes of Ranvier ALLOW energy to enter the AXON

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They don't.Or do we need to explain myelinization to you?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise responds to crashfrog:

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Yes, and Hindus and Sikhs and every other follower of any god in the celestial zoo SAW what they SAW and FELT what they FELT. You totally ignore this fact in your reply, probably because it kills your fantasy stone dead.

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Their's are FALSE. Mine was REAL.

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And yet, they say the exact same thing using the exact same evidence.Why should anybody believe you over them?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise writes:

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They point to an AFTERLIFE.

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No, they don't.You're not dead. If you are still alive, you weren't strictly dead. Since biological processes continue for quite some time after such mundane things as your heart stopping, there is no evidence that what you experienced had any supernatural quality at all. It is more likely that you experienced a biological reaction.You won't know what happens after you die until you die and never come back.

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So NDE'S most CERTAINLY strike a dagger into the heart of atheism

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Logical error: Assuming the consequent.You're supposed to prove that the NDE actually contacts "the other side," not simply assume that there is another side to contact.

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One case has a nurse who records *50* such NDE'S and all of them had out of body experiences that recollected nearly everything that took place in the operating room in which the individual were totally unconscious or clinacally dead.

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So? The person was in the room. Unconscious does not mean biologically inactive. Your eardrums still vibrate from sonic waves whether you're conscious or not. That's why the alarm clock will wake you up when you're asleep.What would be amazing is if the people who had the NDE were capable of telling us what was going on in a room they were not in. Rather than telling us what was happening in ER room 2, why not tell us what was going on in delivery room 4 three flights up?------------------
Rrhain
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Wise responds to me:

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What exactly about Maxwell's Equations do you misunderstand?

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Yeaaahh...Riiigght.

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Indeed.I direct you to your local college or university. Go to the library and look at the copy of the introductory physics text. The most common ones are authored by Halliday and Resnick or by Sears, Zemansky, and Young. In any case, there will be a section on electromagnetism.Read it.Do the problems.And if you're still confused, audit the class and listen to the lectures.

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NOTHING charges particles?

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Yes.Electrons have charge by the nature of their very existence. It is not like you can uncharge an electron. You can't make an electron turn into a positron.

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You MUST have attended Saint Atheist school of higher learning.

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No, Harvey Mudd.You know Harvey Mudd, right? The #1 college of science and engineering in the country?

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SOMETHING is charging those particles

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Says who? You? Why should we believe you over Maxwell? We can actually do work with Maxwell's equations, create experiments that test them, and verify their results.

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and let us NOT FORGET that the brain EMITS an electromatic field of some sort

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Of course.There are charged particles in your brain. Just as Maxwell's equations describe, the electric field is generated by the charged particles.What do you think the "E" in the equations represents?

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which is the soul and spirit eminating energy and keeping the body alive.

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So electrons have souls? What about protons? And since neutrons have no charge, do they not have souls?And you need to work on your HTML skills. Your equation didn't come out.------------------
Rrhain
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Alex responds to me:

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Stating Maxwell's equations isn't going to help your point a lot, as we indeed cannot fully say, how electric charge comes about from a very fundamental point of view.

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Why? The equations seem to work. So unless you're going to move the goalposts and say that we don't know where the fundamental constants involved in the equations come from or something similar, then they do, indeed, tell us where electric charge comes from.

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But they do not explain the origin of its "players" (charge etc.)

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Logical error: Moving the goalposts.The question, then, is not about electricity but why the universe is the way it is...why there is even such a thing as electricity in the first place.Now, that's a really interesting question.------------------
Rrhain
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Alex responds to me:

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(b) magnetic monopoles don't exist

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Actually, if I recall what I have read correctly, string theory does allow monopoles. And interestingly enough, with enough monopoles of one type, you can create the opposite one.Indeed, we haven't seen any, but that's something different (though a recent article in Science claims that there is indirect evidence for their existence, Z Fang et al. 2003 Science 302 92). And Dirac's work seems to allow for magnetic monopoles in quantum mechanics. One of the reasons for inflation theory was to explain the seeming absence of magnetic monopoles and all evidence seems to be pointing toward an inflationary period in the universe.

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Why they turn out to be exactly what they are is the interesting question.

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Indeed, but that wasn't the original question. If Wise wants to know why the universe is the way it is, then he should ask that question. We can explain the behaviours of electrons quite well. But as to why there are electrons to begin with is still unknown and a much more interesting question.------------------
Rrhain
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