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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 352 of 388 (615684)
05-15-2011 5:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 351 by jaywill
05-15-2011 5:34 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
How do you receive Christ?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 354 of 388 (615686)
05-15-2011 6:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 353 by jaywill
05-15-2011 6:21 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
Read what you wrote, but it didn't answer the question. How do you know when you are dealing with Jesus and not some imposter?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 356 of 388 (615689)
05-15-2011 6:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 355 by jaywill
05-15-2011 6:36 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
Sorry but it really is the same question. All this crap about receive Christ and commune with Christ and saying "Lord Lord" comes across as nothing but feel good bullshit.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 358 of 388 (615691)
05-15-2011 7:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 357 by jaywill
05-15-2011 7:05 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
Yawn. Again, nothing there but feel good. Sorry.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 365 of 388 (616448)
05-22-2011 9:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 364 by jaywill
05-22-2011 7:49 AM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
That's what is so great about the Bible. You can support any position at all by simply taking quotes out of context. When you add in the contradictions and factual errors that are in the Bible it's possible to use it to support both sides of almost anything. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 368 of 388 (616714)
05-24-2011 8:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 367 by jaywill
05-24-2011 6:53 AM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
jaywill writes: That's what is so great about the Bible. You can support any position at all by simply taking quotes out of context. When you add in the contradictions and factual errors that are in the Bible it's possible to use it to support both sides of almost anything. No you cannot support "any" position. You tried and have been refuted. I supported a position (immediately above your post) and you have not refuted it yet. Rather what seems "so great" to you is that you can now retreat back into a far more general complaint about alledged factual errors and alledged contradictions rather than successfully deal with the specifics of the new birth in the Gospel of John. And I am beginning to understand "out of context" to you really seems to mean in disagreement with your opinion of unbelief. Oh come on jay, get serious. The factual errors are not alleged, they are real. The Biblical Flood never happened, the Exodus never happened, the Conquest of Canaan as described in Joshuah never happened, and the author of John was a revisionist who was totally changing the story of the life and mission of Jesus. It really is that simple. And the audience can decide whether or not I have supported my position.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 370 of 388 (616850)
05-24-2011 6:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 369 by jaywill
05-24-2011 5:57 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
jaywill writes: The Biblical Flood never happened, the Exodus never happened, the Conquest of Canaan as described in Joshuah never happened, and the author of John was a revisionist who was totally changing the story of the life and mission of Jesus. This thread is on Born Again. John was not changing the the story of the life and mission of Jesus, simply because he decided to emphasize things that others did not. John's presentation standing somewhat alone from the other three synoptic gospels is not necessarily proof that he changed the story. That assumption on your part is skeptical wishful thinking. There is no rule demanding that the four evangelists repeat verbatim the same sayings, teachings, parables, and incidents in the life of Jesus. There is no rule that three could not share certain aspects and one could not hone in its focus on previously underdeveloped themes. A design of TWO and TWO, or THREE and ONE, or ONE, TWO, THREE, and FOUR could all be true. It so happens that there are the three synoptic presentations and John highlghting aspects which for his own reasons, he felt needed more emphasis. Exploiting this scheme to prove John invalid is not something we have to accept. I said the author of John was a revisionist. You yourself say the same thing when you say " It so happens that there are the three synoptic presentations and John highlghting aspects which for his own reasons, he felt needed more emphasis." He was revising the story, changing the emphasis. I brought up the factual errors to show that your claim that the errors and contradictions were alleged when you said "Rather what seems "so great" to you is that you can now retreat back into a far more general complaint about alledged factual errors and alledged contradictions rather than successfully deal with the specifics of the new birth in the Gospel of John. " I have presented my case, you are free to present your best support for your position and the reading audience can make up their own minds.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 372 of 388 (634253)
09-20-2011 9:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 371 by jaywill
09-19-2011 10:47 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
If Jesus was human yet God while living among us then the whole story is just a worthless farce anyway.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 374 of 388 (634306)
09-20-2011 3:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 373 by jaywill
09-20-2011 3:27 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
Did you read what I wrote?
jar writes: If Jesus was human yet God while living among us then the whole story is just a worthless farce anyway. I'll repeat it for you. If Jesus was human yet God while living among us then the whole story is just a worthless farce anyway. If the above is true then pond scum is worth more than Jesus was to humans.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 376 of 388 (634308)
09-20-2011 3:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 375 by jaywill
09-20-2011 3:32 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
It is important each time.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 378 of 388 (634390)
09-21-2011 8:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 377 by jaywill
09-21-2011 7:46 AM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
I said that the author of John was a revisionist. For example in John the reason to perform miracles is to show that Jesus was divine, to impress people while in the synoptics the goal is to help. The person or persons that wrote John were trying to document a far different picture than we see in Mark, Matthew and Luke. But the topic, as you seem to have forgotten, is Born Again, and the concept of some one time experience as marketed in many of the chapters of Club Christian simply devalues the process and like the idea of Jesus as some god/man chimera turns it all into nothing but a worthless farce.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 380 of 388 (634697)
09-23-2011 12:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 379 by jaywill
09-23-2011 12:31 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
Again, the purpose was not simply to impress people or show divinity even in your example. And it still has nothing to do with the concept of "Born Again".
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 382 of 388 (634700)
09-23-2011 12:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 381 by jaywill
09-23-2011 12:40 PM
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Re: Origins of an Idea
And yet again, the purpose was not simply to impress people or show divinity even in your example. And still it still has nothing to do with the concept of "Born Again".
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 385 of 388 (634706)
09-23-2011 1:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 383 by jaywill
09-23-2011 12:45 PM
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Summary
Again, it still has NOTHING to do with the topic of Born Again as some one time event. The idea of being Born Again as some one time miraculous event is simply a cop=out and feel good method to avoid doing the work of actually day by day, moment by moment evaluation of your behavior and trying to do better in the future and make amends for past failures. It is nothing but another cheap snake oil salesman spiel meant to bring in the customers by telling them that being a Christian is easy. Edited by jar, : saw APD's post.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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