Prophecy vs Free will

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"You shall be witnesses of me Jeruselum, Judea and the uttermost parts of the earth"

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Did that prophesy come true?

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Tell me if Islam is emulating Christianity and who, if any, is right:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related

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Yeah I thought that might be your response. Your problem is that whether the prophesy was recorded and transcribed at a later date, it still and still is coming true, wouldnt you say

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"You shall be witnesses of me in Jeruselum, Judea and the utter most parts of the earth."

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Yes, that has occured. Christianity is the biggest religion of all. It says Christians will stand as witness - which can also mean of their bed deeds?

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"I will establish my church and nothing will stand in its way"

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And to hell with those bad Jews! However, it seems someone else had the same idea, and destroyed the church and dumped a mosqie on it. Knock-knock! Try these for size:THOU SHALL NOT STEAL.THOU SHALL NOT COVET WHAT IS NOT YOURS.THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.I can also quote a host of other magestic laws which does not appear on your radar. Does Islam have the same right as Christians, or will you knock off the mosque after you eliminate the Jews from their land? Its a wonderful future ahead for humanity - thanks to two big kings who make up any beliefs they like, and cancel any that come in the way. Who's next?

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Given all the conditions and circumstances, the Church of Christ should not have survied. It should have died out like the untrue and false Messiahs, IT DIDNT

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Yes and no. There is Islam, which makes all the same claims and displays the same agenda and aspirations. Will you two share the spoils or confront each other after the Jews are gone?

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besides this type of prophesy which upsets or matches your definition of prophesy, Im sure you are aware of the Oral tradition

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The oral tradition was rejected by Christianity. It contains stuff directly from Moses, but which does not sit well with you.You see, laws and verses which have become so sacred to Christians and to Muslims, are after all said and done given with only one purpose: as a testing, to see how you will turn. Like Abraham, or like all the above you are so proud of - fostering the genocide of a 4,000 year nation as your entire claim to fame, and even boasting of it?

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No just more misrepresentations.
Earlier you stated that anything from the Roman Republic did not count, now you want to include the Punic Wars? It seems you are more than willing to move the goal posts back and forth depending on whether the evidence supports your claim or not.

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The Roman 'empire' emerged after the period it was a republic.The evidences, aside from belief and alledged prophesy, say the Gospels was written by Romans and Greeks, not by Jews, and long after its contemporary setting. It is blatant that both the replacement religions of Christianity and Islam cannot be equally right. The common anomaly is both make unsubstantiated claims about the Jews, none have a shred of evidence, nothing they charge is typical of Jewish history and both contradict each other's revelations - except that both want to commit genicide again. I say, even if everything both say is true, they still have no right to have an agenda of genocide for 2000 years. And all Christians and Muslims are pretending they don't know what they are doing.What is going to stop this insanity - any prophetic tips?

If one is handicapped they cannot also be limited.

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Tell me if Islam is emulating Christianity and who, if any, is right:

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We could include Judaism in this category as well.

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Of course! Are not the Jews saying your belief is hereby fulfilled away, you cannot occupy your own homeland and that you will get no salvation if you don't sign on the bottom line? Your prophesy of doom is faltering, no?

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At any rate, that is not the point. Did Christ prophesy come to pass?

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No! It did not concerning its core prophesy about Israel. There are 1000s of brick walls standing and Israel is returned. Is that the greatest calamaity, or something good? What then is your answer for those bad Jews?

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Its like i am in a discussion with two different people. At times you seem steady and rational, then the next moment you seem irrational and paranoid.

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Sorry if I appear irrational about covert Nazism. When one says a Pope who rejected the return of Jews to their land, even while they are being holocausted in a Christian country, because your lord did this to them for their rebeliousness, yes I am irrational for not supporting you. I am rebelious and should be more rational of the triumph of evil instead. It all becomes rational if the greatest evil deeds are followed by an IN JC dance, you get saved, rght? Yet the world is in chaos and great natural disasters are seen. Eurostan is happening and the regimes Christians support are crumbling.I say a Nuremberg II Trial is required for European Christianity. Every Christian and atheist becomes guilty here according to a majestic law, one who remains silent of evil becomes evil. How irrational is such a prophesy?Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Find one of the threads or post whichever prophecy you think can be supported.

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I can mention a most disdained prophesy standing up to examination. The return of Israel when this was nigh impossible.This was a rag tag people being holocausted in Christian Europe - because they rebelled against depraved Rome and a Roman Christian Pope declared the fleeing Jews must not be supported back to their homeland - so 1000's of refugee Jews in boatloads were sent back to Europe's camps and all Christians chanted VE VERE NOT AVARE. This return happened despite all the world looking that away, while Europe's chimneys still fumed and when hordes of Muslims swayed swords when they landed. Christian Europe than re-transfered the name Palestinian to those panting for another holocaust - a name applied eclusively upon the Jews by Europe. Rock science what it means!However, I agree that only few such prophesies can stand under examinaion - and none from the NT.

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the question arises, how and why did they respond so quickly and immediately to the statement:

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"follow me"

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None followed. The people were busy defending against Rome, a magestic stance, which appears outside the radar of alledged apostles. Is this not what occured in Nazi urope?Paul was thrown out, Christianity only flouroushed centuries later, by enforcement and the rake, and none demanding proof. This is why you cannot put a shred of evidence of the claims made in the Gospels which you post here: read, its a total lie.Call me when you come up with a Christian dead sea scrolls in Hebrew by any of the 12 alledged apostles. A Messiah will demand this of you!Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Sorry but that post may well contain the most falsehoods and misrepresentations of any post you've made yet.
Rome had nothing to do with the Jews being dispersed and in fact it is likely that the return of the Jews happened even before the prophecy was written.

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Which planet are you referring to? There was a 70 year war between Rome and Judea. The return is prophesized in the dead sea scrolls [200 BCE] and the Septuagint [300 BCE].A disdained truthful prophesy cannot be transcended by a cherished lie.

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Too funny. That has NOTHING to do with the Jews returning.

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It does. Its about a RETURN.

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The return happened in 538 BCE. Guess which is earlier, 538 BCE or 300 BCE?

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Then a Pope rejected their return. He was answered as was Babylon in 586 BCE. The prophesy stands.

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And even then most Jews chose not to return.

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They were unable to return, by this time the pre-Islamic Arabs took hold of the Jewish land, barring their return - an eerie parallel of what is seen today. However a small remnant rsked all and the prophesy was fulfilled. A disdained truth transcends a cherish lie.

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Utter bullshit.
There were no popes in 538 BCE.

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Gee thanks for that brilliant observation. Ignore the 'return' factor twice!

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The Jews were pre-Islamic Arabs.

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Utter Islamic BS. There was no temple under today's mosque either. Utter zionist and gospel BS, no?

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The prophesy was a success. Please if you dare, show mw how this is any different than the one concerning Israels return

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Harbouring such false insanities has a cost factor. Your so-called prophesy that a church will stand in Jerusalem and Christianity spread large, which is a vile disregard of its criminal flouting of other peoples' rights and land, did not come true: the church was burnt down by Muslims and a huge mosque dumped on it. The Jews returned to their land. Europe is becoming Eurostan. Those who erected a Mosque have their regime states in shambles.Most of all, you cannot prove that writings was made prior to the 4th Century. You have not a shred of dead sea Gospel scrolls.WALK HUMBLY BEFORE YOUR GOD.

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I dont need another thread, all I need is half a brain and a set of eyes to see the Church he predicted, flourishing just as he promised

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Nazism also flourished in Europe. The greater the followers of evil - the greater the evil looms."YOU SHALL NOT FOLLOW A CORRUPTED MULTITUDE" [Book of Exodus].

Iys just as impossibe to talk to a fundy Christian as with a Muslim denying history by shouting statements born of bad beliefs.You have to prove your charges, you have to prove your prophesies. You cannot. The truth does not set free those who chant death and call it a saving, nor to those who boast of such bad beliefs they've been poisoned with. look closely what is going on in the Islamic world - you may see yourself there too.

Israel Celebrates Diplomatic Victory over Roman Empire.

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Samaria Celebrates Diplomatic Victory over Roman Empire

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A huge Lag B’Omer bonfire in the heart of the Shomron recalls Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai’s diplomatic victory over the Roman Empire.”
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 5/22/2011, 7:52 AM / Last Update: 5/22/2011, 8:28 AM

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Israel news photo: Flash 90

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A huge Saturday night Lag B’Omer bonfire in the heart of Samaria (Shomron) recalls Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai’s diplomatic victory over the Roman Empire, said Shomron Regional Council head, Gershon Mesika.
Rabbi Shimon, the 2nd century mystic and sage, who died on Lag Ba'Omer, is known by the acronym, Rashbi.
The Talmud relates that the Rashbi said of the Romans, "Everything they built, they built for themselves: They built market places in order to place prostitutes there; bathhouses, in order to refresh themselves; bridges, in order to collect taxes." Rashbi was forced into hiding in a cave for 12 years after the Roman Empire heard of his statement and issued a death warrant against him.
Mesika said, Lag B’Omer, the holiday for the Rashbi, is the celebration that shows our pride. Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai stood against the Roman Empire and won. The fact that hundreds of Jews are celebrating Lag B’Omer here, when almost no one even remembers the Roman Empire, is the victory of Rashbi and of the People of Israel.
"Today, we stand and will continue to stand strongly for the Torah and building of our land in the face of all challenges."

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Why not put the prophesy joke to rest now - seeing the case is won by a margin of manifest blatancy?The Roman Empire was the greatest super power in history. A small privince alone challenegd them - and won. In 1950, Britain and Jordan changed the historical name of Samaria to West Bank, a continuing genocide aspiration of Jews and history, inverting the premise of letting the truth set one free, and the notion of prophey. Europe now wants to change the name of Jerusalem to Al Quds - foresaking even its own theologies if it can hurt Israel.Following depraved Rome with statues all over Europe and boasting how many were massacred is a problem of the murderers and their worshippers - it is not a Godidit thing - look who was holding the swords! Meanile Britainastan and Eurostan is hapening while Christianity and Islam's Jewish problem continues - they happily cut down their own feet with their own swords.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.