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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
I put it to you that had the controversy been about a law rather than a symbol, the issue would have been resolved via debates and votes from appointed representatives. While a law can be measured of its benefits or failures, a symbol can do no wrong or only wrong, with immunity and impunity. This is what history says.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
There is no alternative to humanity being ruled by magestic laws applying equally to all - instead of the BS of preferred names.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Symbols should be as country or group flags and adhere to inalienable human rights and equal justice for all. But when those symbols also harbour death and villification as their core fulcrum reason for their validity, they become illegitimate and obscene.
In the future all religions will have to account for themselves - belief cannot be used to negate factual reality and espouse mayhem and murder as a ticket to salvation and paradise. There are no people born of the devil and/or apes - there is only devilish and apish deeds. America's Constitution is perhaps the world's greatest man made document - specifically, it is a rebuff to medevial Europe and Islam's doctrines. The disdained truth is greater than a cherished lie.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Magestive laws should not be of the enforcement kind. They should be agreed to by a composite of humanity, same as rules of cricket are agreed to. Even though almost all laws accepted by humanity's institutions happen to be contained only in one source, the Hebrew bible, this should still need to be processed by humanity if they are acceptable; otherwise they get tossed out, despite how it impacts on one group of humanity - its the price payable for human unity. The point is that the rule by belief does not work - these are in mutually exclusive modes and pits human groups into existential wars. The event at Sinai, whether it really occured or not, is upheld by more than half of humanity, and its laws enshrined within the world's institutions. At the very least, this says that laws are the foremost instrument in the belief of a Creator - more so than revered names. Here, love and peace become law based premises, not the patent of any particular religion. If humanity keeps on the road it is on it will end up where its pointing.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Check it out. Did you know that all animal rights laws come from the Hebrew bible? So do judiciary laws, worker's rights [making slaves as contracted workers with rights], inalienable human rights, democrasy [not from Greece!] and women's rights?
quote: As long as the laws were implemented without corruption, they should be transcendent of any group's preferences. It becomes International law agreed to by all. Its thorniest issue will be that 'names' cannot be applied as laws. Though this would hit Judaism hard [the time factor], they will fare well because it is substantially a law based theology as opposed a belief and name based one. Such compromises are not ungodly things - the reverse view should apply. Such a scenario is not a choice factor - it has to happen if humanity is to go forth.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I don't make up things and any red blooded Christian should know these laws - it is where all animal rights come from, including safe environment during transportation, stunning during slaughter, onus of feeding, free range, etc, and these are exclusively listed in the Hebrew bible. You listed only ritual and sacrifical memorial rights, which are not universal but prefixed 'unto you' . You omitted all animal rights laws:
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Inhumane? Do you even understand why one must not mix an animal in milk? A human may not be able to identify which animal a milk is from - but an animal can - that's how fastidious the animal rights are in the Hebrew bible. The aspect of stunning [rendering an animal unconscious] is what kosher slaughtering is all about, namely in ancient times a particular throat vein did this job.
quote: Aside from banning, every court case was won, as in Canada some years ago which made a major action along with foremost biologists and experts.
quote: I used the term loosely, to denote a law which is enshrined as law and enforceable. E.g. perjury, bearing false witness; slander; compensation; bankrupsy and debt limitations; superannuation and retirement rights; incest bounderies; women's rights; environmental rights [not to destroy a fruit bearing tree even during battle]; arms length legal judgements; minimal witness requirements; not to hear one party's case; accidental death and property damage; onus to erect courts and judges before water wells; etc. These laws are contained only in the Hebrew bible, which have spurned a host iof derivitive by-laws and torts throughout history.
quote: Slaves were once the norm form of wealth throughout the world and history. They became contracted workers with rights only by the Hebrew laws.
quote: False. One day of rest a week with pay; lump sum payment on retiring; the right for a slave [worker] to marry and have a family; automatic freedom on the Jubilee year; and a host more - these were flaunted by the world, especially by Rome and Europe till recently. Would you like references?
quote: Read up where the US Constitution comes from, instead of viewing ancient 3000 year old history with today's rose tinted lens.
quote: Your not very smart. The laws applicable for women captives makes it impossible to mistreat her. The man must either marry her or release her. Read up again.
quote: You omitted that the Canaanites first claimed genocide and to action it, refusing all peace offers?
quote: How blatantly antithetical. You pick a spot in a 4000 year history, then describe it in reverse mode. Have you heard of the Jews doing this in any part of the world ever? How about European Christianity and Islam?
quote: That refers to the biblical version of the Nazis. What is your point?
quote: Then point your finger where it belongs.
quote: Those are the prescribed sentences for major crimes, to be conducted under supervision and court decisions. There were no electric chairs or guns 3,500 years ago.
quote: Produce hard copy proof of it as older than the Hebrew bible? Democrasy is not 'LET THE MAJORITY DECIDE' - otherwise Hitler and Sadaam Hussein would be the most democraticaly elected rulers. Before accepting votes, it is obligatory to provide barriers to corruption, enforcement and inducements; only then must the voting of a majority be acceptable, and this comes from here: DEMOCRASY. To give the decision according to the majority, when there is a difference of opinion among the members of the Court as to matters of law (Ex. 23:2) (affirmative). Not to decide, in capital cases, according to the view of the majority, when those who are for condemnation exceed by one only, those who are for acquittal (Ex. 23:2) (negative). Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou bear witness in a cause to turn aside after a multitude to pervert justice; (Ex. 23:2) (negative).
quote: If the violator later broke the promise to marry her.
quote: Because in ancient times that woman will have no chance of a life elsewhere.
quote: I did.
quote: You mean like these barbaric laws:
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Should not atheists know the law and where it comes from - before filing a law suit? In any case, I am responding to posts which make false claims with impudence.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
You can start a thread if you like, however I won't indulge in this thread any more. I have check mated some here so why push it.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The evidence does not support the action. While a religious symbol can be a cause of violation, in America's case it is not valid. The Constitution and the laws of the country does not support one religion's right over another. America is not Saudi Arabia or Iran, nor medevial Europe. The facts on the ground speak for themselves and have an impacting factor here. America represents a Christian country [not a crime per se], which displays wise and fair rules and this must be acknowledged rather than flaunted by exaggerations.
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