Group of atheists has filed a lawsuit

IamJoseph, I take it this would be the majestic law that you personally approve of.There is no alternative to humanity being ruled by magestic laws applying equally to all as long as it is the majestic law as approved by IamJoseph?What happens to the people with a different set of majestic laws?What happens to the people who interpret the majestic laws differently to you?Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

I can see both points of view. I have visited the site and it was moving.When I was there, I do not recall seeing any religious iconography.It was simply not required.The standard cross beam shape used in the buildings architecture produced many crosses in the wreckage by chance.If I had seen a cross at the site, the first thing I would have thought is 'where were you?'I am not 100% sure but isnt there a church accross the street from the site?Could they not put the cross, high and mighty as the symbol that it is, out front of the church?They would be able to put it up on a pedestal, all on its own.I am not a christian but I would think that this would make it a much more powerful symbol than if it were in a museum amongst a lot of other artifacts.Would this not solve the problem?

Hello IamJoseph, This is bullshit. The laws get tossed out or the people get tossed out? Can you rephrase?Would you like to have a shot at replying to my statements and answering the questions? If you did, can you rephrase because I cant see it.

IamJoseph,I have asked you time and time again to start your own thread with regards to your claims. I have even sent you a PM. Yet you continue to spash your bullshit in random threads.Rule 4 of the forum guidelines - Your point - Your evidence of this point - You need to verify your claims when you make them.I have been through the 613 Mitzvot and find them to be pretty unpleasent overall. I am glad you are wrong in stating that most of the laws of humanity come from them.To target the issues you mentioned in order -Animal rights -
Animal sacrifice Call up PETA and ask them if animal sacrifice classes as animal rights. Also, all of the Kosher slaughter laws are bullshit and inhumane.Here are some quotes about Kosher slaughtering : I know the temple was destroyed so you cant go around killing random animals in a brutal way to honour your god but that does not change the fact that the laws are there.A few common laws relating to animal rights NOT in your list of laws.1. How about the fact that ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS at all, that they are even sentient?
2. How about DONT SACRIFICE ANIMALS?This is animal rights as covered by Genesis -
Genesis (1:20—28) [Adam is given] "dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."Nice.Judiciary lawsI dont think you are using this term correctly as 'judiciary laws' (the two words together) dont really make sense and dont actually describe anything.Judiciary - The judiciary (also known as the judicial system or judicature) is the system of courts that interprets and applies the law in the name of the state. The judiciary also provides a mechanism for the resolution of disputes. Under the doctrine of the separation of powers, the judiciary generally does not make law (that is, in a plenary fashion, which is the responsibility of the legislature) or enforce law (which is the responsibility of the executive), but rather interprets law and applies it to the facts of each case. (wiki source: Judiciary - Wikipedia)Do you mean Judicial procedure?Workers rights - Slavery. Seriously, where the fuck does slavery fit into workers rights?A few important common things missing from those laws. minimum wage, standard hours of working days and working weeks, workplace health and safety lawsHuman rights -First of all, FUCKING SLAVERY!From the Decleration of human rights (article 4) there is this one as well, another one of you so called human rights laws... Can you spot where there may be a small human rights violation there? I will help you out. YOU CANT TAKE WOMEN AS CAPTIVES.or how about these... Have you made sure you have totally wiped out all of the descendents of these nations? Do you really think that the children of these groups human rights are upheld here?How about these laws... This is genocide. You are aware that genocide is considered to be a breach of human rights arent you?Just to make sure I have hammered the point home... Executions. Death by stoning and burning people to death. Can you tell me how you believe that your laws are protecting human rights here?Democracy - Greece circa 500BCE, there are some writings in the Epic of Gilgamesh that suggest the Sumarians had a primitive democracy. Also, 6th Century India may have had some semblence of primitive democracy but there are insufficient sources to verify.Sources -
History of democracy - Wikipedia
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Democracy - Wikipedia
HISTORY OF DEMOCRACYWomens rights -I only need to put two of your laws in here. Can you tell me how you think that forcing a man who violates (rapes) a virgin to marry her and never be able to divorce her is a good thing for womens rights?A large amount of the laws you hold so dear are barbaric, pointless or have been replaced by better laws. A huge amount of modern laws is not even discussed in your laws.You do great, great disrespect to all of the men and women who have actually worked, fought, bled and died to create the laws and rights that you attempt to usurp. Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

Hey Xongsmith,My comment was phrased as a question, not a statement. I live in Australia so have not exactly got my finger on the pulse of NYC at the moment.As a symbol, I thought that having the cross, up on a pedistal, out in the open where the sun can shine on it and people can view it 24/7 would be better. Much better than in a museum. If it is on its own, i believe that it would better represent the solidarity that the people felt on that day. The crisis created one people that day. I felt that it was a better use of the symbol.It would also resolve the issue of it being on public land. If it was on church ground. noone can touch it People can gather at the church and then pray in that church. It is a place for them. A place particularly for them.A bigger move? with the amount of shit they have moved around on that site, a few more bit of steel should not be a problem.

IamJoseph,Start you own thread with your claims.I keep asking you to do this but you wont.Your reluctance only makes it more clear that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, have no way of backing up any of your claims and are just making noise to please yourself.Here is a copy of the PM I sent you in case you have not opened it. Put up or shut up.You have those two options. Your actions will show your worth.I believe your arguements are worthless. I believe that you are an intellectual coward. Not starting your own thread will prove this to be 100% true.Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

IamJospeh,Thank you for once again showing your true colours and proving my point.You are an intellectual coward.Your arguements are worthless.As you have said you will not be tainting this thread with your presence anymore, we can get back to actually discussing the topic.