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Phat
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Message 13 of 57 (628679)
08-12-2011 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
08-11-2011 10:21 PM


Re: Censored Words
jar writes:
What is uncivil about Christian Cult of ***?
Because its uncivil to call someone ignorant in public unless you know them, like you do me. You can call me or maybe Buz ignorant, although its not a very good advertisement for a forum that invites Biblical Creationists to debate. Its like calling a girl ugly when you are trying to organize a Homecoming dance! The whole idea is to make them feel welcome...not to publicly humiliate them.
IMHO, anyway.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 57 (628690)
08-12-2011 9:57 AM
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08-12-2011 9:36 AM


Re: Censored Words
jar writes:
Notice that you post shows that you do not know the difference between an individual, the corporate and content.
What is the lack of knowledge called?
I see your point, but may point out that when a Biblical Creationist debates a secular critical thinker, one may well employ knowledge, evidence, and rationality while the other has been taught to use faith, belief, and dogmatic assertion. In addition, a creationist may quote Ken Ham, for example, and may not be aware of any definite proof that Ken is ignorant or wrong, either willfully or unknowingly.
I can see where you feel the need to confront societal misconceptions and dogmas, but perhaps in a forum such as this one, allowing the other side time to lay out their assertions and feel comfortable trying to defend them makes for a more interesting conversation than simply nipping them off at the bud and challenging their intelligence or lack thereof.
Edited by Phat, : spelling

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Phat
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Message 48 of 57 (629033)
08-15-2011 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by jar
08-15-2011 8:32 AM


Checkmate
jar writes:
Nah, it's far more fun and challenging the way it is. This method encourages liberal use of preview to see how many time you have won so far.
So this is all a game and we win or lose?
Lets all play fair now! One does not need to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, after all!

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Phat
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Message 49 of 57 (629035)
08-15-2011 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
08-12-2011 9:17 AM


The Devil Is in The Details
Buzsaw writes:
Far worse than ignorant is liar, unless one can, in the message, absolutely cite documentation that a deliberate lie has been posted. Liar is the most mean-spirited and judgmental attack towards a member that anyone can post. Two or three members resort to this attack with impunity.
Most of the meanspirited ****ing asterisks and lie charges are directed at minority creationist members by the few who apply them .
I understand how this hurts you. Critics would say that a man who has been exposed to as much information gleaned by the collective intelligence of humanity would be a fool to ignore such progress. The reason that we lie, according to them, is that we want reality to be a certain way and ignore the evidence that suggests that our worldview is not only flawed logically, but is a creation of our own making.
A Biblical Creationist, for example, would want to believe that God was the center of reality. They would very much want to be assured that what they were taught was true. You yourself used to call it an "alternative" belief system and asserted that science and evolutionary thought were themselves based on belief as much as your own beliefs were.
To become better critical thinkers, you or I would have to suspend our beliefs enough to get a taste of the methodology used by critical thinking to arrive at obvious secular conclusions. You chose to try and incorporate your Biblical beliefs "based on a lifetime of study" to support an alternative view of science. I, on the other hand, chose to accept that my beliefs were illogical, yet still have so far not thrown them away. A critic may say that I was willfully deceiving myself by clinging to what I wanted to be true.
I would agree except to say that neither of us really knows whether any external forces are in fact manipulating human deception.

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