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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Well, shot, hung or burned might be considered exciting violence, So you do have limitations on free speech, just only on violence not including instilling fear. Well at least as fare as we know because of the way your judicial system works a judge at one point in history could have ruled instilling fear as braking the law. Still haven't checked our wording of the law it could be similar but the Australian law could bring the matter to trial if you find an atheist judge
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Quote mining don't work regardless of who is doing it.
What I actually said was "Well, shot, hung or burned might be considered exciting violence, but it would certainly be unlikely to end in a conviction." Of course I should have said inciting, but it still works. Of all speech that needs and must be protected, hate speech tops the list. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
What a lovely false dichotomy your invisble homie has set up for you.
Fuck being a good person: you're going to suffer for eternity just because you didn't believe the whackos I sent to tell you about me and I didn't provide ANY evidence for my existence. "Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Of all speech that needs and must be protected, hate speech tops the list. How do you figure? "Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Speech everyone agrees on does not need protection. It is the very speech we most disagree with that needs protection.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
hooah212002 writes: being a good person: you're going to suffer for eternity just because you didn't believe the whackos I sent to tell you about me and I didn't provide ANY evidence for my existence. That is exactly what it doesn't say.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Hate speech can hardly be simply classified as "speech we disagree with". You honestly think the KKK should have a right to have protests and say "It is my opinion that ALL FUCKING NIGGERS MUST FUCKING DIE" knowing full well the individuals that attend these sorts of rallys (shotgun toting rednecks with a penchant for hating black people).
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Speech everyone agrees on does not need protection. It is the very speech we most disagree with that needs protection. U actually have a point But dose it apply to hate speach like kill all whites, Jews, atheists, Christians ....I dont think that kind of speech needs protection.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
It's what YOU implied.....
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Please read the questions in Message 1 and adjust accordingly. Stick to the topic.
OP writes: Do you believe the current method (multicuturalism, acting as if all faiths are correct) of dealing with religious freedom is effective? Do you see this working in the long term? This thread is part of the debate forum, not the Coffee House or Free for All. Please provide reasoned argumentation. Also a reminder of Rule #10: Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics. And this is not a chat page.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Well clearly the tolerance of multi culturism is quite low in the US
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ScientificBob Member (Idle past 4294 days) Posts: 48 From: Antwerp, Belgium Joined: |
The difference i think is personal gain when you threaten your child you are protecting your other child when the state threatens us with jail they protect other peoples rights when the curch tells you you will go to hell it protects its income. I'ld disagree with that. This is just our view on it as non-believers. I think it's safe to assume that the people that actually believe this stuff say such things because they genuinly care. In their view, they are trying to protect the people they "threaten". It seems like you are implying that there is some sort of conspiracy among church leaders to make people believe a 2000 year old fairy tale only to make money. I think such blanket statements are pretty counter-productive. And to get this back on topic, I think that's also one of the reasons why the present situation will not be sustainable... because people ACTUALLY believe this stuff. It's just bound to hit a wall at some point. And the more radical the beliefs, the sooner a wall will be hit.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
It seems like you are implying that there is some sort of conspiracy among church leaders to make people believe a 2000 year old fairy tale only to make money. I think such blanket statements are pretty counter-productive. The income derived from these oblations reached the come of 43.219 billion in 2000, with an increase of roughly 2 billion from the figure for 1999. To this wave of solidarity were united the offers from religious institutes as well as foundations, associations, Catholic entities, and the faithful, from which was received a sum of 78.417 billion.
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Rule #4: Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
Frako, 1. You're off topic. Reread the OP.2. You have two quotes, but didn't make it clear who the quotes are from. 3. Stop one liners. 4. Stop bare links. This is not a chat page and we don't debate movies. Make arguments in your own words. All participants, get back to the topic please. If you can't manage to stay on topic, I will close the thread permanently.
Please direct any comments concerning this Administrative msg to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') thread. Any response in this thread will receive a 24 hour suspension. Thank youAdminPD
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is exactly the kind of speech that needs protection.
I disagree with it, but I will also support their right to say it. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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