Born Again

Sorry but once again you are simply taking quotes totally out of context to misrepresent what was actually written.Ephesians 4 is actually a great condemnation of the Christianity you try to market. Paul is speaking there about doing, behavior, nothing about fallen man, the term does not even appear in Ephesians 4.Do you actually think that we have not read the Bible?Jesus was a Jew, speaking to a Jew, in the context of Judaism.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yawn.For those following along, please note the ellipsis.Whenever you see someone quoting using ellipsis, be suspicious, check their sources in context.Also watch out for the slight of hand, the change of subject and attempt to play the old "The Bible interprets the Bible" con.If you follow back, we were discussing Ephesians and how jaywill was taking quotes from Ephesians out of context. Note that now jaywill is trying to do the same thing by taking quotes from John out of context in the hope that no one will notice he has changed the topic from Ephesians.So let's look at Ephesian 4.

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Ephesians 4

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1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

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2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

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3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

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4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

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5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

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7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

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8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

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9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

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10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

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11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

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12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

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13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

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14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

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15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

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16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

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17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

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18Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the *** that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

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19Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

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20But ye have not so learned Christ;

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21If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

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22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

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23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

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24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

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25Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

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26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

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27Neither give place to the devil.

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28Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

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29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

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30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

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31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

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32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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Please read all of Ephesians 4.It's not talking about some magic getting born again crap, it's talking about day to day living, starting over every day, every minute, trying to live with your neighbor, look at what YOU do honestly, being kind, forgiving, helpful, trustworthy, truthful, everyday basic stuff.It's no magic bullet, it is calling you to do work.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

But a one-time magical transformation from outside is an easy sell and one hell of a lot easier then having to actually work at it day in day out for the rest of your life.You gotta admit it's an attractive product to market particularly since there is no product liability attached.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

More utter nonsense and examples of taking stuff out of context.There is no instantaneous change.It really is that simple.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Getting laid can have similar effects.But then look at what you did since then, and what you continue to do.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Sorry but what does any of that have to do with the topic?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Honestly, all I see is you quote mining and taking things out of context. The Hebrews understood that being born again is a continuing process. There is even an annual period when that is the sole occupation, the one thing everyone is commanded to do.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yes.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

No, I am saying that I disagree with YOUR practice of taking things out of context and quote mining and with the cheap Christianity that YOU try to market.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

What is so funny is that 1 Petey is a long narrative on ... behavior. Pulling the old quote mine tactic of grabbing one line out of 1 Petey trivializes the whole message.Of course the other thing about 1 Petey is that it was written during the period when the crop of folk marketing this new creation still were pretty sure that the end was just round the corner, and were just beginning to have doubts about continuing to sell that particular message.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Nah, we can do a thread on that if you want. It was certainly the first major crisis the market folk faced and they had to do lots of backpedaling and tap dancing around that one.But let's try to get through born again first.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Exactly, which is why almost all "Bible Studies" are nothing but propaganda and marketing and not studies at all.It is the old "The Bible interprets the Bible" canard and fallacy.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

First, there is no such thing as "The Bible", they are all the product of humans and group decisions.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Can't speak for Ringo but I try to be born again every minute of every day in every year, with particular emphasis on the act of being born again during the first ten days of Tishri.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The seventh month of the Jewish calendar and the period that begins with Rosh Hashanah the day of the New Year and ends with Yom Kippur on Tishri 10 is the annual time to be Born Again.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!