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Author Topic:   How New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others
ringo
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Message 10 of 112 (611811)
04-11-2011 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
04-11-2011 1:55 AM


Buzsaw writes:
The US has traditionally been the free place to which most immigrants have desired to go.
And yet, Canada has received wave after wave of refugees from the United States - United Empire Loyalists, fugitive slaves, war resisters. Even today, we have refugees from America's foreign policy in Latin America.
Your New Testament fundie Christians were pretty slow to "bless" those people with the freedoms that they wanted.
And our largest religious denomination is Roman Catholic. You have people running from the fundies to the Catholics.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 23 of 112 (611843)
04-11-2011 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
04-11-2011 1:00 PM


Re: Jesus On Sharing
Buzsaw writes:
The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory.
Governments stepped in to feed the hungry, etc. only after the New Testament Fundie Christians failed to do it. The fact is that you rely on atheists, Roman Catholics, etc. to help you to do what Jesus called on you to to.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 29 of 112 (611876)
04-11-2011 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
04-11-2011 5:28 PM


Re: Jesus On Sharing
Buzsaw writes:
In Jesus's day? No.
Read what I wrote:
quote:
Governments stepped in to feed the hungry, etc. only after the New Testament Fundie Christians failed to do it.
AFTER the New Testament Fundie Christians had failed to take care of the poor for centuries, government stepped in only in the past few generations. Don't pretend that that's a bad thing.
Buzsaw writes:
Christian fundi nations have faired better by and large with more freedom and prosperity etc.
I gave you examples of groups of people who left your "fundie nation" to find more freedom in our "Catholic nation".

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 34 of 112 (611897)
04-12-2011 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
04-11-2011 11:14 PM


Re: Jesus On Sharing
Buzsaw writes:
Two bare assertions, Ringo. How about some evidence.
What I've done is question your assertions.
Jesus told his followers two thousand years ago to feed the hungry. Why would governments be doing it today if the fundies were already doing it?
And why would United Empire Loyalists, fugitive slaves and war resisters come to Canada if the U.S. was such a fundie paradise?
How about some answers?
Edited by ringo, : Spellingg.

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ringo
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Message 49 of 112 (611980)
04-12-2011 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
04-12-2011 12:55 PM


Re: Topic Buz, remember the topic?
Buzsaw writes:
Where's your evidence that it's untrue?
The person making the claim that "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others" is the one who is required to provide positive evidence for that claim.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why several waves of Americans have come to Catholic Canada to escape those "blessings".

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 71 of 112 (612031)
04-12-2011 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Buzsaw
04-12-2011 3:38 PM


Re: Topic Buz, remember the topic?
Buzsaw writes:
I've explained and you are not reading objectively.
You should learn what "objective" means. I haven't taken a position against your OP. I'm quite willing to accept your premise if you can show any evidence.
Buzsaw writes:
My OP points were not pertaining to specific exceptions.
I know they weren't. That's my point. You're saying the equivalent of, "The majority of people in the U.S. are black and the ones who happen to be white have no effect on that conclusion."
The fact is, your conclusion is worthless unless you can explain the exceptions.
Buzsaw writes:
By and large, historically, the nation of Canada is one of the nations which has fared better than either Mexico and, perhaps (I say perhaps), even the RC majority province of Quebec.
Roman Catholicism is by far the largest denomination in Canada as a whole.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 81 of 112 (612238)
04-14-2011 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
04-14-2011 9:13 AM


Re: The questions remain Buz
Buzsaw writes:
In short, they were more Puritan than they were Biblically fundamentalist.
That sounds like the "no true fundie" fallacy.
And if you define "fundie" as only those who did contribute to the blessings in America, your argument is circular.
Buzsaw writes:
Thankfully, wiser minds prevailed to eventually weed out the bad aspects of Puritanism for the Colonies.
From what we've seen in other threads, those wiser minds were mostly deists.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 95 of 112 (612458)
04-15-2011 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Buzsaw
04-15-2011 8:02 PM


Re: The questions remain Buz
Buzsaw writes:
This involves the promises of Jehovah of blessings on nations supportive to Israel.
He seems to have blessed the Arab nations with a lot of oil. Apparently, He supports their policies.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 99 of 112 (612472)
04-15-2011 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Buzsaw
04-15-2011 10:40 PM


Re: Arab Nations: No NT Christian Fundamentals
Buzsaw writes:
... the people live in poverty and oppression.
That's the same point I was making about the fugitive slaves but you continue to ignore it. They were so "blessed" by fundyism (or condemned to poverty and oppression, depending on your viewpoint) in the U.S. that they had to escape to Canada.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 110 of 112 (612753)
04-18-2011 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Tram law
04-16-2011 11:33 AM


Tram law writes:
What is Christ's message and what is wrong with it?
Ironically, Christ's message was to Pharisee Phundies exactly like Buzsaw, to tell them to stop pretending that had it all right and to start doing it right instead.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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