How New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others

Fundamentalist Protestant Christian Fundamentalists who promote the New Testament fundamentals have been among the majority in nations which are the most free, prosperous and blessed over all. The US has traditionally been the free place to which most immigrants have desired to go.On the other hand, last century, estimates ranging from sixty million to a hundred million have been murdered by their own atheistic minded communist governments in Europe and Eastern communist regimes as well as Cuba.Atheists on this board like Cavediver and other apostates from fundamentalist Christianity have denounced the very ideology which has prevailed in this nation in which these folks have had the privilege to have been citizens of.They are killing the proverbial golden goose that has been laying their proverbial golden eggs. Not only that, but what they are advocating is what is leading to the demise of the American dream for us all, as history attests.Historically, Roman Catholic nations have also not been as prosperous and blessed as the US. Take a look around the nations. Note the history of prominent Roman Catholic nations such as Mexico, Spain, Italy, etc, as well as the American Native Americans where RC has been the dominant Christian religion of them, coupled with paganism. There's Haite, where RC mixes with pagan voodoo to make that looser nation what it's been. Compare some of the South American prominent RC nations, with largely Protestant fundi US.Almost 90% of Mexico's population is Roman Catholic About 5% are Protestant. Previous to that, going back to our founding, the percentage of Roman Catholics in the US was significantly less and Mexico was close to 100% RC.Perhaps some of our members here who have went so far as equating Christian fundies to al-Quada need to count their blessings afforded to them by the fundamentals of Christianity practiced by true Christian fundies.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

And, of course, it was Western Europe from which the Plymouth folks left, risking their lives from oppression. It was Western Europe from which Hitler was able to arise to instigate the Jewish Holocaust. It is Western Europe which is now becoming rapidly socialistic and Islamized. Wrong! How could that be when church was held in the halls of congress and the New England Primer, the Bible and Watt's Hymnal were in the public schools?The Constitution and First Amendment disallowed any state religion sect. Thus Biblical scriptures were inscribed in Washington DC's buildings and Christian prayers were said, swearing on the Bible, etc. Have you forgotten your history? Remember the part about the Spanish Inquisition? Historically, Spain has not been a bastion of freedom, especially for Protestants. It is fundamentalist Christian policies which have been implemented by due process at the poles that makes the laws. If you don't like certain laws, work harder to get your way. In recent decades it's been working quite well on the behalf of the secularist ideologies of you people.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. It was totally voluntary and applied only to individuals, his little group of apostles and later to churches.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Good question. When I was young my dad leased a ranch in Wyoming on the Indian reservation. I grew up with and near two Native American reservations. My family lived among one tribe for some years. Back then the government gave them welfare and they received significant oil royalties. They had it made, but the freebies ruined them. All most of them did was drink, get in auto wrecks, fights and other trouble.Our church had a mission ministry among them. The ones who converted to fundi Christianity cleaned up their act. Nearly all of the churches among them were RC. For the most part their religion amounted to a conglomeration of RC and pagan.There was a fundi Christian Native American evangelist who would come to the reservations to minister. My dad gave him a late model Buick and other support to him and his evangelistic family.The Native Americans who were industrious had it made with all of the perks plus their ranches or businesses. Some were rich.Unlike some of these Western tribes, tribes like the Senecas here in upstate NY fared better because they didn't get all of the government hand out. They were known for steeplejacks etc due to their agility. I know one who is a great welder. Many of them live in nice homes, compared to most Western reservations.Before the founders came to America, the pagan natives were very warlike, keeping one another at bay etc. They often applied torture, brutality and fear tactics in their cultures.Imo, the North American Native Americans, by and large have fared better than pre-occupation of the white man. However it was a mistake for us to consign them to reservations rather than let them assimilate and earn their own living.As for breaking the treaties, LOL. The government has a very bad track record on that count with all Americans. A good example is when, by the stroke of the pen, our promissory silver certificate notes promising exchange of the note for silver, for which it represented were rescinded.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

In Jesus's day? No.I'm not denying that non-fundi groups do not help these days. I'm talking by and large, historically. Christian fundi nations have faired better by and large with more freedom and prosperity etc.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Jar, you post short bare assertion after bare assertion. Get off my back.

Two bare assertions, Ringo. How about some evidence. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. No?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Where's your evidence for those assertions, Coragyps?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You're missing my point, Dr Adequate. More power to anyone fortunate enough to be entitled to oil royalties. My point was the detrimental effect with those oil royalties (significant) coupled with government welfare payments upon the Native Americans. It did to them what it does to all things government subsidized. It produces more welfare and less personal responsibility for one's family's welfare. Not having to work, the people became idle drunkards, having nothing to do productively and having all kinds of time to carouse, drink, engage in criminal activities etc.That's why a small minority of the Native Americans who made good use of the perks from oil and government and who were industrious as well became very affluent; a few becoming very wealthy.Native Americans on reservations, even today, after becoming evangelized or after overcoming the tendency to be lazy, live the good life, benefiting from the perk advantages they have over young whitey ordinary citizen, struggling to get a start in life financially etc.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Untrue? Where's your evidence that it's untrue? Most of what you've contributed to this thread are these substance-less repetitive blind assertions.Jar, you remind me of the laughing hyena, following along the herds of wildebeest, nipping incessantly at their heals, hoping eventually to pounce on one one that slips. Edited by Buzsaw, : revise word

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I've explained and you are not reading objectively. My OP points were not pertaining to specific exceptions. They pertain to by large historically and globally. By and large, historically, the nation of Canada is one of the nations which has fared better than either Mexico and, perhaps (I say perhaps), even the RC majority province of Quebec. No? If not, please show your evidence.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Here's the deal, relative to my OP. The modern term, fundamentalist/fundi is being misconstrued from it's meaning.What the term means is to follow the fundamentals of the text; in this case, New Testament Christian fundamentals. The modern usage of it is obfuscating it, misconstruing it with evangelicalism.Some nations like in England, New Zealand, and some Scandinavian nations, for example are not evangelistic but do ascribe to the fundamentals of the New Testament. So literally, they are protestant NT fundamentalists.The founders and American protestants, including our founders, by and large, whether evangelical or not, have practiced the tennants of the Biblical NT fundamentals and most of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament, whereas RCC atheists and others have not. However, Even atheists like Cavediver and other good people here at EVC have been highly influenced by those NT fundamentals and the Ten Commandments.The difference is that in nations which do not have NT fundis and for that matter, evangelicals, are not subjected to the pressure to follow those fundamentals.Even good folks like Cavediver, other atheists and agnostics here at EvC have, for the most part parents or grandparents who have highly influenced how they live in the US and other protestant fundamentalist nations.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Hi Hidrglyphx. Thanks for weighing in. Somehow I missed your post due to the fast accumulation of posts and so little time at the computer.As for the differences, nevertheless, the Biblical fundamentalist New England Primer
was used in colonial days and for over a century after the founding.

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Many of its selections were drawn from the King James Bible and others were original. It embodied the dominant Puritan attitude and worldview of the day. Among the topics discussed are respect to parental figures, sin, and salvation. Some versions contained the Westminster Shorter Catechism; others contained John Cotton's shorter catechism, known as Milk for Babes; and some contained both.

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Nevertheless, do you deny that Thomas Jefferson presided over the education board which sanctioned the Bible and Watts Hymnal as text books in the public schools of Washington DC?My point is that the Biblical fundamentals were the moral underpinnings of free and prosperous nations. These fundamentals affected the majority of the citizens, be they secularistic, RC or Protestants. Even Thomas Jefferson, deist lived by those fundamentals and recognized their values in the public schools. That doesn't diminish the influence of the Biblical fundamental underpinnings of free and prosperous nations. Sadly, in recent decades, freedom and prosperity has been on the decline as our citizens increasingly reject those fundamentals. Crime, immorality, overcrowded prisons, health issues related to morals, socialism etc escalate as Biblical fundamentals wane. You don't have to reinvent the past to understand the difference in nations like the USA, whose underpinnings are largely Biblical fundamentals and say, Muslim theocratic nations, Nazi Germany, secularistic communist nations and Mexico etc.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Hi Zen. Good question. I can cite more than one.

Those are a few that come to mind and I'm sure there are others.Though some of the above are not practiced by all in our nation, there are enough who do to a. receive the blessings of the Biblical god, Jehovah and b. influence the population at large.Hitler's Nazi Germany, for example, cursed and killed the Jews, Jehovah's chosen. The people lost their freedoms and prosperity after having departed from Biblical fundamentals and being deceived by a tyrant.The US is currently sliding down that slippery slope and on the decline.Another example: Muslim nations populations surrounding Israel, calling for their demise and fighting them are neither free nor prosperous. Their prophet Mohammed called for waring against their enemies and those who despitefully use them whereas Jesus taught loving and doing good to one's enemies and those who despitefully use them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

The Puritans held to many important fundamentals of the NT. However they were not fundamentalist in some respect. Their aspirations were a Puritan theocracy, imposing their Puritanism upon the citizenry. They were, in a sense, tyrannical, executing some who did not adhere to their Puritanism. In short, they were more Puritan than they were Biblically fundamentalist.The Biblical funamentals that they did promote were a factor in getting America going in the right direction. Thankfully, wiser minds prevailed to eventually weed out the bad aspects of Puritanism for the Colonies.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.