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Jar, you said, "Yes, we have read the alleged violent passages from the Qur'an .....". You need to quote those alleged violent passages to which you allude and explain to the sheeple how it is that they do not advocate violence.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

It's not that ambiguous, GDR. Jesus's words quoted above are as relevant today as ever, as is all of what he said. The same goes with the Quran. The modern Muslims who know and understand what Mohammed practiced and taught as well as his apostles do likewise, just as the fundi followers of Jesus do.The reason people miss-read Jesus about the sword is not because it was not relevant to all ages. It's because they aren't studiously into the scriptures and how it relates to history and fulfilled prophecy, etc.The same goes with moderate Muslims, most of who are in nations not yet ruled by Islam. The propagators of Islam are careful not to hit a nation too stringently until they have at least a third of the nation converted. Then they begin to make demands upon the sheeple who were miss-led into thinking that Islam was a peaceful and tolerant religion.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Jar, Jesus never told anyone to kill or persecute anyone. Governments and individuals are apples and oranges. We're talking fundi Christian individuals or Christian fundi organizations. You need to cite where any injure or kill in order to promote their religion.The reason there are none is that violence is not a fundamental of the NT as it is in Islamic scriptures, plain and simple.Surely you don't know more than the Mullahs and leaders of totalitarian Muslim nations about what the Quran says. They do and practice what they know it says. Most of the had to memorize it when they were children.Do you deny that Mohammed and his followers did not kill, war and injure? Do you deny that Jesus and his apostles did no violence or advocated it?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

GDR, WHAT BOTH OF THESE MEN, JESUS AND MOHAMMED, WROTE AND PRACTICED, ARE NOT SOME MYSTERIOUS CHANT. THEY BOTH MEANT WHAT THEY SAID AND THEY BOTH PRACTICED WHAT THEY SAID.

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THE FUNDAMENTALISTS OF BOTH RELIGIONS KNOW AND PRACTICE WHAT BOTH OF THESE MEN, THE CHRIST AND THE ANTI-CHRIST ADVOCATED AND PRACTICED. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY EVER SINCE BOTH RELIGIONS WERE ESTABLISHED. IT'S THE UN-STUDIED IGNORANT ONES WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE PROPHET/MESSIAH.

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WHY SHOULD I, A DEVOUT FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN REFRAIN FROM WARNING AND INFORMING WHAT IS THE TRUTH CONCERNING THESE RELIGIONS.

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AS FOR MAKING YOUR POINT, I DIDN'T. THE UNBELIEVER IS GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING WRONG, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD OR HIS WORD. THE UNBELIEVER WHO IS NOT OBJECTIVE AT HEART IS GOING TO SKEW ALL SCRIPTURE TO THEIR LIKING AND TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR LIFE STYLE, RENDERING THE PLAIN WRITTEN WORDS AS METAPHORICAL IN WHATEVER MANNER SUITS THEIR IDEOLOGY.(Note: I was listening to the radio and not paying attention to my script when I typed this. Thus the caps. I made the best of it by sizing down.)

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

[qs=GDR]Yes, I am the unbeliever, but guess what. The Islamic fundamentalists are teaching and practicing exactly as I read it and as I observe them teaching and practicing. I'm being very objective, reading their scriptures and observing them practicing what I've read. Methinks you need to get objective, me brother. Indeed, those doctrines were part of the fundamentals of Christianity. What have they to do with this topic of violence?For what it's worth, if those fundamentals were observed in modern churches, God would be pleased. It was his Holy Spirit who inspired them to be written. Having said that, I'm not on a soap box advocating those fundamentals, regarding women, but I do refuse to sit under a woman preacher or teacher of men in any church, that being the role of men, Biblically. That is why there have never been any great or renowned women preacher or evangelists. Women are free to teach children and other women, however. If you want to discuss that further, I will participate if you propose a thread on it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I don't do Arabic, but what I'm observing and reading is what the Muslim fundamentalists teach and practice, both historically and currently. They attest to the fact that the translations which I have read are accurate relative to the violent verses/doctrines of their scriptures.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Yah, sure, GDR, like Israel's Islamic neighbors working to drive the nation into the Mediterranean Sea and like the Iraqi and Iran wars when the Iran Shiites and the Iraqi Sunnis slaughtered one another by the tens of thousands.Like now the Islam Brotherhood and their Shiite Hezbolah allies are slaughtering the Egyptian and Lybian Sunni Hammas, with the US & NATO siding with the Hezbolah-ish Shiites in each and every war?Yah sure, neighboring one another into their graves. Better do you homework, my brother. Our government and the US sheeple are certainly not.For what it's worth, our president's family were/are Sunni. He doesn't really want to take out Gadaffi, the good bud of Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor. Thus his reluctance to bring on the air cover on behalf of the Hezbolah types. He's being pressured into this action. Thus also, his underming of the Afgan war and the imputus to end our war effort in Iraq on behalf of the Shiites there. So you reject that the Holy Scriptures were inspired by God via his Holy Spirit and that it is necessarily true? Are you aware of the last chapter of it and elsewhere that warn against adding to or detracting from it? We are to reach out and care for their necessities, to evangelize them and to love them, but not to love or accept their doctrines or ways. Christian fundamentalist organizations such as the Voice of The Martyrs, Samaritan's Purse and World Vision work and risk their own lives to help all, particularly the oppressed. I contribute liberally to VOM, knowing full well that some of my funds go to help Muslims. I have no problem with that. You are aware, I hope, that spiritual brethren of Jesus are all Christian. Jesus said "no man comes to the father (God) but by me." He also condemned, verbally, the Sadducee's, the Pharisees and all who oppose his gospel. What do you do with that?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.