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Author Topic:   Another "New" View of Creation
crawler30
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Message 42 of 64 (516191)
07-23-2009 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Will Seamus Ennis
07-23-2009 1:54 PM


Re: Consciousness?
I agree with being able to see intelligence in all sorts of "unintelligent" aspects of life. For instance, bacteria are not considered to be very intelligent yet they, (or God, or I suppose somehow "natural selection) has found a way to build a rotary engine (with out fossil fuel consumption) to propel themselves around their tiny little insignificant existance. Yet, society believes we are the most intelligent beings in the universe. Whatever the case one wants to believe, this is for me, a huge point for I.D. Because of the fact that it seems to be alot more complicated than evolution can explain, it leads me to believe that it was designed. I say it was God, although this may upset some of the posters who have replied here, I would gladly hear of another theory if it can even come close to explaining such a design. But keep in mind that evolution would have to add or take away attributes slowly over time, which this structure would fail to propel the organism unless it has all of its pieces. The closest structure to this has five less pieces, and it is an injection pump to inject poison into the cells of its host.
to see the image, goggle image search flagellar motor.
sorry I`m having trouble posting the link. ??

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crawler30
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Message 50 of 64 (516242)
07-24-2009 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Kitsune
07-24-2009 2:44 AM


Re: Intelligent Design
actually, my point was that I believe God gave everything what it needed to change itself as needed within a set of boundries. DNA is this programed set of boundries wich is free to change as needed. I just think that these things at times do not happen slowly over millions of years, because if there were not imediate changes to some spieces they could not have survived. If I were to "design" a computer program I would prefer it to change with its environment rather than have to download updates evry few hours in order to insure its survival, its called artificial intelligence. What then would we call it if it was programed biologically? I just cant believe that it was just a random set of mistakes and mutations that caused all of the complexity that is our eco system.

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crawler30
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Message 52 of 64 (516249)
07-24-2009 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by lyx2no
07-24-2009 12:21 AM


Re: Consciousness?
you believe society to be ignorant for believing humans to be the most intelligent beings in the universe yet you do not believe in a higher state of being? That seems rather contradictory. If it is aliens you refer to as being the higher intelligance than you too believe in something that you can not see, touch, smell, taste, measure or show empiricle evidence of so would that not be faith? and if it is the organizms themselves that are making the changes to themselves in order to create a result then is that not still a form of intelligent design? And if you do not believe it happened to achieve a purpose than why do you believe in evolution? If everything happened on accident then we more than likely would not organizms that change to fill a certain niche of life, especially not every niche.

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crawler30
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Message 53 of 64 (516251)
07-24-2009 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by lyx2no
07-24-2009 10:23 AM


Re: Intelligent Design
I did not say that all spieces would be able to change enough all the time. But it also goes without saying that life would have ended if there were not a huge amount of spieces that did in fact survive the same occurance that killed the dinosaurs. And the fact that there are still crocodiles and many other lizards and birds which came from dinosaurs should also point out that it is possible for life to make imediate changes (compared to millions of years) in order to insurer the survival of life on earth. Have you ever seen a picture of a bird? Of couse some spieces must go extinct in the proccess if they can not change quickly enough, but that does not make the other changes invalid.

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