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Hi homunculus aka overmind Why pretend something that is patently false? Evolution is not subjective, it is based on objective evidence and replicated observations. The objective evidence includes observed instances of evolution and speciation, and these are facts.Why pretend something that is true? "Creation" is subjective, as evidenced by the thousands of different religious models for creation, and the hundreds of different sects within religions.It is rather self-evident that these beliefs are purely subjective, based on the variety of beliefs. Neither is a world view. One is science (explains how things work not why) the other is myth (which myth depends on the subjective religion involved). Oh, you assume that creation means only christian biblical myth, as your subjective interpretation. What about all the other beliefs, including those that believe that life was created to evolve?You are mistaking your subjective opposition to evolution based on your subjective belief to apply to all subjective beliefs. That is not how "subjective" works.The fact is that there are many evolutionary biologists that believe in god. Steven Jay Gould is one, Ken Miller is another, to name a couple that should be well known to creationists. Evolution is science, not philosophy. It explains how life works, not why.You seem to think that evolution is diametrically opposed to subjective belief, however it is a fact that there are many subjective beliefs that are not diametrically opposed to evolution, so evolution is not necessarily opposed to subjective belief. That is part of the definition of "subjective."Science in general, and evolution included, uses objective reality to disprove subjective concepts with objective facts. If science "opposes" the subjective belief in a young earth, for example, it is not the science that opposes the belief, it is reality. It is an objective fact that the earth is old, and this is not subjective. Neither science (how things actually work) nor creation (myth of origin) govern morality - morality is based on cultural values and is subjective from person to person, from culture to culture.That some creation myth or other can control morality of the believers is falsified when we look at the jail population: there is no difference in the percentage of religions in jail and out, leading to the conclusion that religions have absolutely no effect whatever on moral behavior.Perhaps ridding culture of false beliefs would go a long way towards a more rational "social economics."Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : more

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Hey Annafan, Yes we all know about how such faith controls the homophobic\gay wanna be mass murderer inside ... how taking a wide stance on religion helps control those beastly urges ... The sad thing is that he had not learned any other reason to behave as a civil human being. That's the usual response to a non-sequitur.Enjoy.

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Hey Rahvin, I've always thought that creationists like John 10:10 should wear medical alert bracelets: To refuse to do so would expose hypocrisy and materialistic selfishness.It should reduce the medical costs for the rest of us, let them preserve their world view (which is on topic, yes?), and over time ...The Amish do it, why not the YEC's (or do they have a lack of faith?).Enjoy.

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Hello John 10:10 Curiously what you believe has no impact on reality and how the real world behaves. When belief and opinion are contradicted by reality it is not reality that is wrong.Of course you are free to believe anything you like. You can believe you are the Napoleon of Christians defeating the unwashed multitude of unbelievers.Perhaps you would like to explain, and preferably refute (snide comment deleted), these pieces of information:Page not found

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Relevance of evolution: Agriculture
Explore just a few of the many cases in which evolutionary theory helps us secure and improve the world's crops. Genetic diversity, disease resistance and pest control are highlighted.

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Relevance of evolution: Conservation
Explore just a few of the many cases in which evolutionary theory helps us form conservation strategies.

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Relevance of evolution: Medicine
Explore just a few of the many cases in which evolutionary theory helps us understand and treat disease. Bacterial infections, HIV, and Huntington's disease are highlighted.

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From the origin of life to the future of biotech: The work of Andy Ellington
This research profile examines how scientist Andy Ellington has co-opted the power of artificial selection to construct new, useful molecules in his lab. The results of his work could help protect us from terrorist attacks and fight HIV and cancer.

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Evolutionary biology: Technology for the 21st century Advanced
The evolutionary biologist Jim Bull gives his perspective on how evolution matters to society today: from producing polio vaccines to solving tabloid-style crimes.
(This article appears at ActionBioscience.org.)

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Evo in the news: Evolution at the scene of the crime
This news brief, from March 2006, describes how DNA fingerprinting is being used to prosecute and exonerate the accused. DNA fingerprinting relies on the processes of mutation and genome evolution.

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Evo in the news: Evolutionary evidence takes the stand
This news brief, from January of 2007, describes the role of phylogenetic evidence in a Libyan court case. Six medical workers have been convicted of injecting children with HIV-tainted blood - but the evolutionary history of the virus paints a different picture.

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Evo in the news: Genealogy enthusiasts mine DNA for clues to evolutionary history Advanced
This news brief, from November 2007, turns an evolutionary lens on businesses that use DNA for genealogy research and, in the process, illuminates what their genetic tests really track.

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Why study the tree of life?
This short video provides several examples of the practical applications of phylogenetics.
(This resource is available from the Peabody Museum of Natural History)

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A look at linguistic evolution Advanced
We typically think of evolution occurring within populations of organisms. But in fact, evolutionary concepts can be applied even beyond the biological world. Any system that has variation, differential reproduction, and some form of inheritance will evolve if given enough time. Find out how an understanding of evolution can illuminate the field of linguistics.
(This article appears at SpringerLink)

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Interview: Massimo Pigliucci on evolution's importance to society
This interview with State University of New York professor Massimo Pigliucci reveals some surprising applications of evolutionary theory: from treatment of human disease, to forensics, to software engineering.
(This article appears at ActionBioscience.org.)

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The logical conclusion, is that if you think evolution, the theory of evolution and the science of evolution are false ideas, and that you have not benefited in any way from them, that you are living in a fool's paradise.Enjoy.

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Hey lyx2no2, So as long as the organisms with new and old neutral and beneficial genetic variations continue to survive and breed with success such mutations will continue to spread and change and spread and change and ... etc. By the successful evolution of a new trait or ability. In one experiment that tracked the evolution of bacteria from a single ancestor through many generations, dividing later generations into different populations, all in one similar ecology that provided minimal nutrients plus a source of energy that the original single organism - and many generations afterward - was unable to use, some evolved an ability to make use of the second source of energy. Interestingly, only those that evolved later from a specific subset of later populations evolved the ability. Not only does this show a beneficial trait emerging (consumption of second nutrient), but the intermediate population evolved a neutral mutation that made the beneficial mutation possible.There are many instances of bacteria evolving new abilities - look at nylon digesting bacteria, chemical pollution digesting bacteria, and other instances where bacteria have evolve to use a resource that did not exist before man made, and discarded, it.Enjoy.

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Thanks, John 10:10 I have a working knowledge, just as I have a working knowledge of automechanics, but you may well be more intimately knowledgeable in specifics, just as I expect you have more knowledge of what the bible says than I do.Curiously this has no effect or import to your knowledge of evolution or your opinion on many topics not directly associated with nuclear physics or biblical quoting.This is the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority, as an authority on one topic can be totally ignorant of another.The question for you - as a nuclear technician or engineer - is whether or not you would agree, that any person that has an opinion contradicted by the evidence of nuclear physics can be correct in his opinion, and that this opinion could cause nuclear physics to change?Enjoy.btw - an old saying of mine is that "science is the art of understanding the universe, engineering is the art of making practical use of science" -- they are not the same thing, and they do not use the same methodology. Engineering is concerned with making approximations good enough for practical design, and then adding factors of safety to cover what you don't know. Science is concerned with finding out what you don't know. Engineering depends on science to advance knowledge to increase the practicality of designs. Just over 50 years ago, your profession did not exist at all. That it does now exist, is due to scientists, not engineers.Edited by RAZD, : added tidbit

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Hi John 10:10, still having trouble distinguishing science from the practical application of knowledge gained from science? Correct, just as engineering students, they are tested on their knowledge of known results from known, repeated tests of theoretical results, and how to apply those known results of theoretical testing for practical benefit.But that knowledge is produced by scientists, not by engineering students or pre-med doctors. And it is produce by application of theory and replicated testing of results. All modern medicines are based on our knowledge of biology, and our knowledge of biology is improved and informed by our knowledge of evolution. Science expands our knowledge of the universe, and this results in new applications for medicine and for engineering. Modern evolution has produced practical applications to medicine, just as modern physics has produced practical applications to nuclear engineering.Enjoy.

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Hi John 10:10, still not getting it. Curiously that was NOT the question. Try again, with the added words in caps for clarity: NOT you - somebody else, say someone like Paris Hilton, somebody without your experience and education in the field trying to tell you how to run things in a way that you KNOW from your experience in the field is just plain wrong ... can that person's uninformed opinion change the facts of nuclear physics? Let me contrast this with your earlier statement in this post: In other words YOU are operating on the basis of theories, because you admit right there that we don't know how physics REALLY WORKS.And if you are really interested, yes the theory of evolution can help sick amoebas get better. They can do this in labs and in the field with real science, just as they help humans will all manner of illnesses. The information provided by evolution on illnesses is one of the great leaps forward in medicine in the last 50 years, and the reason for this is genetics. Genetics just would not work without evolution.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : plastered paris

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Let's see if we can talk about the topic in a more general way than evo vs creo. Everybody has a world view, and every world view is different. Your world view is composed of the knowledge you have, based on education (both formal and informal) and experience, plus your beliefs on how this knowledge fits into the "big picture" - in essence what you believe outside what you know.As the signature says, "we are limited in our ability to understand, by our ability to understand" and thus we are only able to add knowledge based on what knowledge we already posses.The critical question everyone should consider is how well does their world view measure up to the "big picture" and how can we test that.Any belief that is contradicted by any evidence of objective reality is one that does not represent the "big picture" and thus the scientific principle of falsifiability applies to beliefs: falsified beliefs should be discarded when they are shown to be false, invalid, contradicted.Does anyone have any other system for measuring whether a belief measures up to the "big picture"??Enjoy.

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