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the principles of world view

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Annafan
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Message 7 of 85 (495519)
01-23-2009 5:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Huntard
01-23-2009 5:31 AM

Huntard writes:
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NOTHNG in evolution tells you how to live your life, that's a matter that's wholly seperate from it.
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Or in other words:
"Evolution is descriptive, not prescriptive..."
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Treating it otherwise would be an example of the naturalistic fallacy
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Annafan
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01-23-2009 8:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Modulous
01-23-2009 8:06 AM

Re: Imperfect and ridiculous
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Do you honestly think there is no need to regard anyone else in a world without God? If I killed my neighbour's husband so I can have my wicked way with her, would I be punished? Very likely - there are very real authorities who enforce social desires (I don't want to be murdered or my SO raped so I am happy to work to pay for the enforcement of a social contract of mutual protection). Other animals have crime and punishment for breaking certain rules (exile, or exclusion from the mutual protection of others is a common punishment as is violence) is it because they are God fearing? Why should it be?
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There's a podcast out there, a recording of a live radio show that had invited Richard Dawkins, in which a (Christian) caller plain simply states - on the air - that God watching him and possibly punishing him was the main reason for him NOT murdering/raping his neighbor.
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I swear it, the guy was dead serious! Dawkins and the host were totally baffled (and so was anyone listening, I bet, lol).
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Annafan
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01-23-2009 4:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Larni
01-23-2009 1:30 PM

Re: Imperfect and ridiculous
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You know, maybe Christianity is a good thing: if it attracts that kind of bastard and then keeps him in check.
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Well, I was thinking more or less the same. Dawkins usually refuses to consider the idea that not everyone can be civilized without Hell in the back of their mind as repercussion. He so much wants to get completely rid of religion that he manages to convince himself that we can indeed do without it as a society. This incident would have been an excellent opportunity for the host to ask him about this. I don't remember whether he ceased the opportunity.
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01-29-2009 6:13 AM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Huntard
01-29-2009 1:47 AM

Hey Huntard, I sent you a mail on hotmail. Can you check?
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(sorry for the off-topic post; please continue )
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