We youth at EvC are in Moral Decline

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Schraf: Start by getting him to define his terms. Just what is "youth" in this context, anyway?

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What is youth? How's this for the break down? Youth is up to thirty. Thirty to 55 is middle age. Senior is 55 to 70. (Coragyps -- freshman senior) Welcome Seeenyooor Coragyps. Anything after that is elderly/old.However as for my comment on youth/clue, I'd say up to 55. Why? Because the 55 year old baby boomers were beginning their teen years at the beginning of the hippy sixties when the moral, family and spiritual disintegration noticeably emerged and crime began to noticeably increase. I must quickly add though, that the younger one is, the less one would notice the decline by observation.

I forgot to note that the very important drug scene really surfaced noticeably in the decade of the sixties, a significant factor in hyppism.

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But of course we are in a moral decline! Morality is subjective, so from some point of view we are in a moral... well, freefall even. You however, from your point of view, just fail to see, and rightly so, how that's bad. After all, one (nondescript) man's moral decline is another woman's / black's / homosexual's / liberal's / etc.'s moral uphill struggle.

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Anyway, freefall and climbing are just two aspects of the great outdoor sport that life is.

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Just to reassure you: I'm in your (base)camp.

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Now listen up here, you yung yute. Come, let us reeeeeeson together.The following also either ensued or followed as a direct result of the moral decline1. Single parenhood. (Factual that by and large, children do better with a natural father and mother.)
2. Unwanted babies and supposed need to kill the unborn.
3. Divorce, legal hassles clooging up the legal system etc.
4. Rise of need for social welfare resulting in higher taxes.
5. Decline in discipline and behaviour of children.
6. Sexual disease, the worse being aids. Again more tax dollars and social problems.
7. Incidence of drugs, crime and all the ramifications of these.
8. Need for more prisons, policemen and other enforcement personel.
9. Rise in incidence of suicide.
10. Increase in corporate, government and social corruption leading to all kinds of problems and causing financial ruin to many.There's ten to ponder, my fiesty forum friends.

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I suspect that morality is related to morale. What can we expect the level of morale to be when the vast majority of Americans are stuck in minimum wage jobs, two to a couple; barely earning a living; with little hope of owning a home; with increasing unemployment, while companies downsize and jobs are sent overseas. The middle class is disappearing and the lower classes (from whence cometh the majority of violent crime) will never experience the "good life" dangled before them daily on television and in magazines. UNLESS, of course, they are willing to compete with the lying, cheating, murdering nation which shares many earmarks with the declining Roman empire.

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The following data shows the number of robberies per 100,000 in the city of Detroit. From 1930 to 1940 was likely the decade of poorest economy the US has ever experienced with big time drought in the midwest some of those years and the great depression beginning in 1929. I was born in the middle of it and times were really bad. Note that the robbery rate stayed roughly static until the forties. In the next decade they about doubled and along comes the drugs, hippism, permiscous sex with moral decay in relation to all ten of the Biblical commandments and we see the results. As we see here rather than a poor economy, low wages and $$ in the pocket, as morals drop, up goes the crime. The standard of living and money in the pocket actually rose steadily from 1940 on. I couldn't find a chart for the nation but I suspect this gives us an idea of the whole picture.1930 104
1940 116
1950 125
1960 239
1970 1537
1980 1255
1990 1300
2000 870[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-03-2003]

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7. Incidence of drugs, crime and all the ramifications of these.
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All declined to their lowest levels during the evil, "liberal" Clinton years.

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The president does not run the country. He does his part, but the congress and the states have more to do with policy than the administration. We had a Republican congress and lots of conservative governors who had more to do with the crime rate than the president, George Bush of Texas leading the charge with his tough on crime state of Texas.Btw, I too would like to know where you got your data. Take your time. We'll wait.

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Consider them pondered. What else you got?

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Nothing for you Dan, until you wise up. You really haven't a clue and why waste my time and yours?

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Didn't you read my post. I stated where I got it: The US Department of Justice:

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Got a link? I'm not finding it.

Truthlover, you are making some good points and sensible arguments. The way you articulate in a kind and sincere manner reflects well on your username. I started out as a young man with nothing in a very poor economy. It wasn't long before I owned my own small trailer home and then into a cheap house with small down. You're right. Just about anyone with enough ambition and will, with enough sense to pinch the pennies and keep debt free otherwise can get into some kind of a self owned home. Having said that, the ever increasing government intrusion into homebuilding, permits and codes makes it harder. By "debt free" I mean going in debt for such things as cars, credit cards, etc. One can find a running usable automobile for as little as $150 in my area.

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This is an interesting discussion but somewhat of a tangent to our theme. That those who find themselves homeless may, with some effort, allay that grief is an aside. I am expecting that the fact they are homeless in the first place indicates they have difficulty paying rent. It would seem to go without saying that people who have difficulty renting a home are in no position to consider buying one.

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........And to get closer to topic, the reason many, I say many, not all, cannot pay the rent is moral depravity.
1. Drunkeness
2. Drugs
3. Laziness (let the working taxpayer support me.)
4. Dishonesty (can't be trusted in a job)
5. Thievery (again can't be trusted or record ruined for hiring) 6. Poor rent record. (ruins homes rented in past or spent rent money on drugs or boose.)
7. Flat out refusal to pay rent due even when able.
On and on the list could go.

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Well, I thought I'd open a new topic regarding Buz's claim that we youth "don't have a clue" as to the moral decline we are in.

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The title you've given to the thread is missleading in that it implys that I am calling the youth of this forum immoral, which is not the case. My statement had to do with the overall moral decline and in no way singles out any individuals or forums.Schraf, you seem to enjoy going out of your way to misslead as to my character and things I say.

For homeless people who cannot afford rent there are federal assistance HUD programs to help out. Evidently many choose not to have a home. Must be they choose to not interrupt their lifestyle or do things like seeking work.

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Speaking of drunkenness....
There was an item on NPR the other day where it seems that people who drink have higher salaries than those who don't. The social function of work-related gatherings (going out for a drink with the boss) combined with the inhibition-lowering effects of alcohol make for a situation where those who drink are more likely to be in a position to make a good impression upon the boss and get a raise.

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You begin your post with the implication that you're going to address drunkenness. Then you switch to drinking in your statement. Which is it? I'm quite sure a pattern of drunkenness is not going to get one far. My post did not specify drinking. I drink both wine and beer moderately myself, as the Lord Jesus and his apostles did drink wine. It is drunkenness and gluttony that the Bible warns of, and for obvious reasons.