Did Jesus Lie?

In the Bible it states, Now it has probably been mentioned here more than once,however, the question has never been directly asked in a topic.If "nothing shall be impossible" to those with even small faith, then why are there never examples of such events as the healing of amputees severed limbs? Or the regeneration of eyes lost to accident?
Since regeneration of a physically removed part of the human body has never been shown to occur and since Christians with even a small amount of faith are guaranteed by the messiah himself to be able to do so, my question are the following ones.Is it a moral obligation on your part to do that which you are capable of doing ,in Christs name,or not? If your faith actually is based in reality and you believe that the words of Christ are true, then why do Christians not perform impossible feats every day?Why is faith in the performance of works that benefit mankind and that are completely impossible to fake or mistake or be a lie not a primary statement of Christian principles?I maintain that it is not done because it cannot be done because it is impossible. Is there no amount of Christians on Earth reading these pages that will step up to the plate and do that which the central figure that they claim to believe in emphatically states they are capable of doing?To perform these events would change my mind in a heartbeat. So let us begin to ask of you to show that you have something real as opposed to nothing at all. Have all your most spiritual leaders participate in a one time event broadcast live for all the world to witness the healing of someone of a physical, visibly missing part of their body. Surely a collection of the leaders of your "Christian Nation" can muster up faith the size of a mustard seed between them and end this charade once and for all in their favour. I can guarantee that any of you will invoke some squirm tactic to absolve yourself of the direct assertion that JESUS CHRIST himself made.Prove me wrong.Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.Edited by sidelined, : Changed title to more appropriate context

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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."Albert Einstein

Bump to bring this to the attention of any Christians that may be inclined to answer

Heinrik Well the phrase at this point here: "ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove;" Seems hard to envisage as a metaphor since it is rather specific in the action to be taken {"say"} related to the result of the action said movement of the mountain.
Now if the metaphor contained a time element that described the action occurring over years ,for instance, then we could assume a metaphor related to hard work paying dividends over time yet this is not the case here.
It is a direct response by Jesus to the unbelieving people when asked about the "miracle" he invoked upon removing a demon from a child why he could perform the "miracle" and they could not. Clearly the point of the verse is to say that if you have even a little faith then these things are possible to anyone who simply asks for it.Since the claim by Christians is that Christ was correct in speaking this way then the plain fact of the matter is that if a Christian with just a little faith commands a feat to be accomplished then it will be done. As I have said, the healing of an amputee cannot be faked nor any sleight of hand or use of suggestion employed to fool the audience .My challenge remains. On national TV employ the capability, that is stated by the head of the entire religion that Christians ascribe to,Christ himself, insisted was yours by dint of faith alone and heal a person with an injury requiring regeneration of a body part that is missing in the first place.As I have said prove me wrong.

ICANT What a copout that is!In a previous thread you made the following list. I think your faith is well established here my friend so I think you are bullshitting to avoid dealing with the matter being impossible because there is no validity to it in the first place. You believe miracles occurred yet you claim that you doubt it as well. Make up your bloody mind.Thus your sentence, "It is not that it is impossible. It is because no one has the faith required to accomplish the tasks." is invalidated. No God exists except in the realm of people's mind so I am certain that no sign will ever be forthcoming.I just want the rest of you to realize that fact.

Catholic Scientist I hardly think this to be the case since the point of the verse was to admonish unbelievers to the very thing they had witnessed concerning the rebuking of the demon. In other words he is saying that if you just say for it to happen it will happen. Speak and the deed will be done.

purpledawn So the matter is that there is no one that has faith of a mustard seed at all alive today that can accomplish the assertion that Jesus made about being able to accomplish the impossible. Then why is there always such an emphasis on having faith within the Christian religion when it never amounts to anything and nobody ever has any. So now it IS only metaphor. Perhaps there should be included in the verses a note specifically stating that this line is not to be taken seriously. That way we can also conclude that Jesus did not drive out demons either but that it was a metaphor for something else? Methinks that the Bible is in severe need of a revamping so that the bullshit that the actual verses presents can not be taken at the face value that seems to be the way they have been passed down through the centuries.It would be good to include a complete workings of just where the bible is dealing with metaphor and where it is dealing with verses as they are written,because it sure seems that the goal posts get shifted to accommodate the central theme when contoversy flares up.

ICANT SO you do not have doubt{and therefore have faith} which is what is required of you to perform the feats of moving mountains etc. But you claimed that no one had that much faith. You contradict yourself my friend.As I have said it is my understanding that the reason you refuse to do such feats is because such feats are impossible. You claim not to doubt therefore you now have faith which means you are capable.So either you refuse to do so which means you are withholding helping people that you have the ability to aid or you are lying about your lack of doubt.Now to reiterate a statement I made in the OP so that the audience viewing here may understand that I claimed that this would happen. At this point we shall see some squirming I assure you.Explain yourself ICANT.

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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."Albert Einstein

purpledawn So,unlike ICANT, you do think that the admonition that Jesus gave the crowd about their lack of faith is meaningless except in that he was referring to the power of positive thinking allowing him to accomplish his 'miracles'? Therefore the feat is impossible as stated and that such things cannot occur in reality correct?

purpledawnThen what actual event was being discussed should we assume? That Jesus actually rebuked a demon which we also know not to be real? If Christ actually does no "miracles" then perhaps the story itself is lost over the years and what we gain from the story is a reflection of what is inside some of us and not anything along the lines of what actually occurred.Regardless my aim is not at people who believe that such feats are impossible as I have asserted but those who do ,indeed,stand by the verses as evidence of such. As long as the money is there and the bureaucracy has a clue.

Catholic Scientist That is hardly the case at all since the Bible gives other examples like the woman who touched his robe and the centurion whose faith cured the servant. So no, it is available to all. Again the point remains that it is a lie that such things can be done if taken to be truth as it is written.

Catholic Scientist Now you are shifting the goal posts to avoid the most likely scenario that presents itself. First it is only the disciples,now it is them + the exceptions to the rule. Please do not continue this line of reasoning as it is a dumbing down of the discussion. Why would he say that it was the faith that prevented them if the power was simply that which he granted them? Why just the disciples? It makes little sense to the Christian religion to make a point of the matter if the idea was not to show that the ability would be for anyone who had the faith. Well we have the following. Again faith is the key and again we have yet another example of a completely different context showing this matter to be true according to the words Jesus used.Again you apply a wiggle here and there however you do not dismiss the matter as bullshit when this is the mundane answer that appoints itself on the evidence.

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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."Albert Einstein

Catholic Scientist He was not saying they have magic powers, he was saying that faith in God meant that you could accomplish anything no thing would be beyond you. Actually ICANT does however, his claim is that he does not have enough, nor can ever have enough, faith.Regardless, Jesus could have been excused as making an analogy except for the qualification made that states, "and nothing shall be impossible for you". This is a definitive statement to clarify the previous part about commanding the mountain to move. So that line of reasoning is also abundantly incorrect.If the text is misleading in so vast and chronic ways then perhaps there should be a new "meeting of the minds" in Christianity to obliterate once and for all the silly notions of miracles and faith as limitless in power and turn the religion into a humanist philosophy without the supernatural overtones that are themselves just as silly as the notion of actually moving mountains is. My,my,my in the 21st century are we really hearing that a person, clear on the fact that mountains do not move on verbal command, leaves wiggle room for demons? Please tell me you are not saying this. That is what I have been saying.If you have the faith you can move mountains as per the teachings of Christ. That you cannot have the ability to move mountains and nothing be impossible to you means that ,either the faith does not give you anything of the sort, or the teaching is a lie.Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."Albert Einstein

riVeRrat This is where a significant difference in understanding of the world seems to come into play with those who are raised with religion. The most probable explanation for a negative result is a negative effect, yet here you are using the negative effect to claim that the non-event somehow means that the effect is somehow greater than before which is clearly not reasonable.These are what I mean by wiggle tactics. The event does not occur as it is claimed therefore the error is not with the claim but an error in application? How is this even remotely logical?

riVeRrat No. In this particular thread I am asking whether Jesus is lying when he says that nothing shall be impossible or if ,in fact, such a thing as having enough faith to ask for the missing limbs of amputees to be replaced is to be practiced by Christians who claim they have faith.
Since the very heart and soul of the Christian faith centers around believing what Christ said then I am at a loss to explain why people who claim that such things spoken by Jesus were gospel are incapable of implementing as a moral standard the very abilities that the leader of their religion insisted they were capable of.If Christ is not lying then I would suggest that you who claim his words to be true are ,indeed, deluding yourselves.

riVeRrat Then you would be agreeing that,in so far as the bible has phrased Christ's words, they are a lie, since such things are not physically possible. Thus no amount of prayer no matter how much faith you have could give an amputee back his limbs because this is not possible.