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Dr Jack
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Message 33 of 185 (429424)
10-19-2007 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by arachnophilia
08-07-2007 9:33 PM


Re: horus
One small correction:
horus was not crucified. crucifixion is a ROMAN invention. osiris was broken into a number of pieces by set (as above). this is another use of the same myth, where they are picking and choosing different bits from bifferent revisions to make it seem like there is a correlation. i cannot find any reference to the duration between osiris's death and resurrection (by horus, or maybe isis).
The origins of Crucifixtion are not that well known. Crucifixion was definitely used by the Greeks, there are reports of Pirates being crucified in Athens. Some people claim the Egyptians used a method of execution similar to crucifixion using trees. The Quran contains references to Pharaoh crucifying people.

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Message 75 of 185 (429659)
10-21-2007 5:28 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Hyroglyphx
10-20-2007 8:57 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
How would we know if Jesus was an actual figure of antiquity? How could we test the historicity?
We'd look for consistent, plausible accounts. We'd look for multiple records of existence from the time. We'd look for events ascribed to him being corroborated by other sources. There are none of these things.
Well, I would say that you first have to give the benefit of the doubt-- reason being, if you challenge the historicity of Jesus, arguably the MOST prolific figure in all of human history, you would also have to consider most other figures of antiquity to be little more than fantasy.
Where do Christians get this crap? The historical evidence for Jesus is scanty at best. You've got four gospels, most of which are partially derived from each other, or a fourth source and all of which were written decades after the event - a timescale plenty long enough to allow mythology to develop. That's it. There's more justification for the existence of King Arthur and Robin Hood.
Why is it that the assumption of someone being an actual person is believed, even on scant evidence, where Jesus is immediately met with hostility? Perhaps its because of the claims He made.
Because the claims made about Jesus are extraordinary, and thus require extraordinary evidence.

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Message 76 of 185 (429661)
10-21-2007 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
10-21-2007 12:24 AM


But all my knowledge of history, which is considerable, tells me that although people make up stuff about people, they don't make up the people themselves. Every significant person from 2000 years ago has all sorts of myths attached to them, but that's no reason to doubt their existence.
King Arthur? Merlin? Hell, any of the Arthurian Knights? Robin Hood? John Frum?
The other point is where you decide to draw the line, at which point of there being differences between the idea of Jesus and the facts do you go "actually these people are so different that it isn't worth describing them as the same person"? If it turns out that Jesus didn't say the things that are ascribed to him, wasn't called Jesus and didn't do the things ascribed to him, was there really a Jesus?
The evidence for Jesus is, in fact, the gospels and the existence of Christianity.
I consider Christianity evidence for Paul, not Jesus.

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Message 144 of 185 (429870)
10-22-2007 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Dr Adequate
10-21-2007 12:31 PM


Robin Hood definitely existed...
I've created a new topic for this here, rather than derail this thread. I'd be interested to know what support you have for this, as I understood he was entirely fictional.

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