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Author | Topic: So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck) | |||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Personally, Im guessing that the Reverend had some unresolved issues in his past and was using the time that his wife was away to "play" and act out what must have been a traumatic experience of his youth. Such as that acutely embarrassing moment when he put on a diving suit without realising that he was already wearing one, and all the other scuba divers laughed at him.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
If the Reverends sexual habits were so normal, why was his wife not also involved? Not everyone likes the same things, Phat. Even normal things. If you really, really like bananas, and your wife can't stand them, is liking bananas abnormal? Perhaps this man had sexual tastes that, while shared by many other people, are not shared by his wife specifically. That doesn't make him abnormal, it makes him unfortunate.
Anyone who needs to use an elaborate plethora of "gadgets" to get off has been numbed, in my opinion. "Need" is very, very different from "like" Phat. Just becasue a certain act is stimulating doesn't mean that act is the only thing that will stimulate an individual.
I use common sense in making my judgments. Common sense is another way of saying "I have absolutely no basis for this, and I'm completely pulling it out of my ass." In this case, you're also wrong in your generalizations (regardless of whether you're right or wrong about this particular man).
I certainly don't attempt to speak for everyone nor to suggest legislation of morality. That's good. That makes you ignorant, but not an asshole.
It is my opinion, however, that there are limits. What these limits are, I cannot say. You don't know what the bounds of normalcy are, but you say that this man's tastes push past them? Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
what about instilled institutions of such bahaviors? I think it's a reach to speak of "institutions" when referring to cross-cultural research that includes hunter-gatherers. Our enthnocentric view of "gender" and "sexuality" is limited, at best. Gendering History and Anthropology/Third Sex, Third Gender: Beyond Sexual Dimorphism in Culture and History.Current Anthropology, Vol. 36, No. 4. (Aug. - Oct., 1995), pp. 709-711. Contrary to the still prevalent idea that our sex and gender order is natural, eternal, and universal, this work contributes mightily to the breakdown of such ahistorical and ethnocentric arguments by furthering Thomas Laquer's excellent historical work in Making Sex. As there was once, Laquer argues, a transition from a one- sex model to a dual model for sex and gender ideology, Third Sex, Third Gender may now be challenging us to move beyond the limitations of our dualistic thinking. Our vision remains too limited by what we think we see: simple vision, therefore, prevents accurate vision. There are societies that recognize 3 "genders": male, female, and "other" (gay men and women). This is evidence that a genetic predisposition toward same-sex relations is recognized by non-Western societies.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Is it so wrong to assume that people can and do have baggage from their past that influences their present behavior? Yes, if you're saying that his "perverted desires" are necessarily caused by said baggage. Those of us you would call perverts and yet have no such past abuse take exception to it. You're basically saying "If you like anal, you're fucked up in the head, and your daddy must have raped you." That's pretty goddamned offensive, Phat. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If his hands are tied behind his back, doesn't that imply an accomplice?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Yes, but if we lived in a society where everyones personal business was up to them alone, we would be unable to determine any moral guidelines for our kids to follow...telling them that their conscience should be their guide. As a result, we would be raising up and throwing off the shackles of obedience...instead following our wanton desires. Black/white fallacy. The only two options are not "repress everything and force everyone to conform to what Phat considers normal" or "wanton, chaotic hedonism with no morality." Let people do what they want...as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. You can allow people to determine for themselves what they should or should not do, while stil retaining a moral framework. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I thought about that too.
But it's possible (tho elaborate) to hog tie yourself. Just loop the rope around your neck, bind your wrists in front of you, bind your ankles, then slip your wrists behind you. But it does smell of consensual play with a partner.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
I think it's a reach to speak of "institutions" when referring to cross-cultural research that includes hunter-gatherers. i meant institution in that marriage is an institution. also, what keeps hunter-gatherers from having institutions? also, the greeks were a bit more than hunter-gatherers and they had QUITE an institution. (is that your university, or are you just happy to see me?)
Our enthnocentric view of "gender" and "sexuality" is limited, at best. i don't think i have an ethnocentric view of gender or sexuality. or rather, i don't have a view of gender, and i think sexuality is an individual behavior that occurs in isolation from labels and "orintations" and lifestyles.
There are societies that recognize 3 "genders": male, female, and "other" (gay men and women). i am quite aware.
This is evidence that a genetic predisposition toward same-sex relations is recognized by non-Western
i'm not disputing that there is probably a genetic predisposition to "homosexual" behavior. i am disputing that this predisposition is the only ruler of behavior. there seems to be a genetic predisposition to alcoholism (i'm not equating the two on a value-basis, i just can't think of anything warm and fuzzy right now. i thought this was a better option than breast cancer, but you could easily interchange the two or any other genetically predisposed thing.), but there are other potential factors and alcoholism may or may not occur to that individual. to discuss cancer, i'm sure there is a chance that an individual may have a genetic predisposition to a variety and get that variety for a completely different reason. but we don't know much about the causes of cancer, so that's really besides the point.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
This is the first I heard of it:
Jesus and Mo
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
generally, nobody looks good in a wetsuit.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Rahvin writes: Not everyone likes the same things, Phat. Even normal things. If you really, really like bananas, and your wife can't stand them, is liking bananas abnormal? As a matter of interest, were you trying to be funny here, Rahvin? You just reminded me of a visit (just out of curiousity, of course) to the notorious banana bar in Amsterdam many years ago.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
molbiogirl writes: But it's possible (tho elaborate) to hog tie yourself. Just loop the rope around your neck, bind your wrists in front of you, bind your ankles, then slip your wrists behind you. Thanks for the info. I've often wondered what research scientists get up to in their spare time.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
As a matter of interest, were you trying to be funny here, Rahvin? You just reminded me of a visit (just out of curiousity, of course) to the notorious banana bar in Amsterdam many years ago. Honestly, no. Just trying to draw a more vanilla comparison for Phat.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: LOLOL!!!! I suppose it isn't normal to want to engage in oral sex, either, right? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If bad experiences with men make women lesbians, then how come all women who are raped or otherwise abused by men don't all become lesbians? Does this mean that men who are gay have bad experiences with females/their mothers? Really, Phat, you need to join the current century WRT sex and psychology. You simply don't know what you're talking about.
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