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Author Topic:   So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck)
Dr Jack
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Message 16 of 221 (427663)
10-12-2007 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
10-12-2007 11:02 AM


Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
Its not normal to want to indulge in anal sex.
[[Cite needed]
The Reverend was probably raped as a youngster...probably by a man.
[[Cite needed]
yet maintain that he was likely molested as a youth in order to even develop such weird fetishes.
[[Cite needed]
What's that? You don't have any? You're just spouting the same ignorant, unproven bullshit that's been popular among fundies for years?

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sidelined
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Message 17 of 221 (427664)
10-12-2007 11:13 AM
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10-12-2007 11:10 AM


modulous
reports indicate that it was located in his anus, covered with a condom.
Thank GOD! he had the presence of mind to practice safe sex.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 221 (427670)
10-12-2007 11:18 AM
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10-12-2007 11:07 AM


What constitutes normal
sidelined writes:
But only normal by the standards you agree with Phat. This does not however define what constitutes normal unless you wish to impose your version of it upon others.
I'm not out to attempt to force any standard on others. I am simply voicing a personal opinion.
  • If the Reverends sexual habits were so normal, why was his wife not also involved?
  • Anyone who needs to use an elaborate plethora of "gadgets" to get off has been numbed, in my opinion.
    I use common sense in making my judgments. I certainly don't attempt to speak for everyone nor to suggest legislation of morality.
    I agree that the conservative church represses a lot of human behavior that many consider normal, they being of a freethinking relativistic mindset.
    It is my opinion, however, that there are limits. What these limits are, I cannot say. Perhaps you all believe that limits are the responsibility of the individual.
    I can agree with that as well.

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    Zigler
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    Message 19 of 221 (427671)
    10-12-2007 11:22 AM
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    10-12-2007 11:02 AM


    Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
    Its not normal to want to indulge in anal sex. The Reverend was probably raped as a youngster...probably by a man.
    LOL. I think it's more normal than you think. Millions engage in consented anal sex everyday, not because they were raped as youngsters, but because they find it enjoyable. I thinik the Reverend found something he liked, hehe.

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    Phat
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    Message 20 of 221 (427672)
    10-12-2007 11:22 AM
    Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Jack
    10-12-2007 11:13 AM


    Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
    Mr.Jack writes:
    You're just spouting the same ignorant, unproven bullshit that's been popular among fundies for years?
    No...I am just voicing my opinion, as you are. There is not only one way to look at things.
    Since I don't lump you together with any given group.. such as "godless liberals" or "evil atheists" why must you lump me together with the "repressed fundies"?
    Its just my opinion that the man must have had some hangups. Is it so wrong to assume that people can and do have baggage from their past that influences their present behavior?

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    jar
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    Message 21 of 221 (427675)
    10-12-2007 11:29 AM
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    10-12-2007 11:18 AM


    Re: What constitutes normal
    If the Reverends sexual habits were so normal, why was his wife not also involved?
    Because their religion taught them it was abnormal and should be repressed.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    Dr Jack
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    Message 22 of 221 (427679)
    10-12-2007 11:42 AM
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    10-12-2007 11:22 AM


    Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
    Is it so wrong to assume that people can and do have baggage from their past that influences their present behavior?
    Of course not. But that's not what you're doing. What you are doing is assuming that other people's sexual practices are pathological and caused by abuse. That's not only not true, it's an actively harmful belief.
    It's because of your belief, and people like you esposing them, that this man is dead.
    If we lived in a society that didn't feel the need to condemn other people's kinks as pathological or shameful, people like this man would have been able to enjoy himself in a safe, informed manner and most likely never got hurt.
    Your attitude is posionous, untrue and damaging to the people around you.

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    Zigler
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    Message 23 of 221 (427684)
    10-12-2007 11:52 AM
    Reply to: Message 22 by Dr Jack
    10-12-2007 11:42 AM


    Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
    If we lived in a society that didn't feel the need to condemn other people's kinks as pathological or shameful, people like this man would have been able to enjoy himself in a safe, informed manner and most likely never got hurt.

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    Message 24 of 221 (427688)
    10-12-2007 12:11 PM
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    10-12-2007 11:52 AM


    Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
    my uncle will be glad. there's a complete jerkoff who cleared land right up to his property for a shopping center including a "video" store.

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    molbiogirl
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    Message 25 of 221 (427689)
    10-12-2007 12:15 PM
    Reply to: Message 3 by macaroniandcheese
    10-12-2007 9:41 AM


    Nope. Not a chin dildo.
    It was in his rectum, covered by a condom.
    You can find the coroner's report at:
    Dead Reverend's Rubber Fetish | The Smoking Gun
    ABE: O crud. I really need to read the whole thread before I post.
    Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

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    Message 26 of 221 (427690)
    10-12-2007 12:16 PM
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    10-12-2007 12:15 PM


    Re: Nope. Not a chin dildo.
    You can find the coroner's report at:
    i think i'll pass.

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    molbiogirl
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    Message 27 of 221 (427691)
    10-12-2007 12:22 PM
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    10-12-2007 11:22 AM


    Anal sex
    Phat, I'm not going to bother refuting your supposition that a willingness to engage in anal sex means that, as a boy, the good reverend was raped.
    Let's just walk through the implications of your idea.
    Gay men are around 5% of the population.
    That means 5% of the (supposedly) straight fathers/uncles/what-have-you in this country raped children.
    Does that sound plausible to you?
    And what about our poor, bereft lesbians?
    No anal rape for them.
    What turned them to the dark side?

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    Phat
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    Message 28 of 221 (427694)
    10-12-2007 12:25 PM
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    10-12-2007 11:42 AM


    Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
    Mr.Jack writes:
    If we lived in a society that didn't feel the need to condemn other people's kinks as pathological or shameful, people like this man would have been able to enjoy himself in a safe, informed manner and most likely never got hurt.
    Yes, but if we lived in a society where everyones personal business was up to them alone, we would be unable to determine any moral guidelines for our kids to follow...telling them that their conscience should be their guide.
    As a result, we would be raising up and throwing off the shackles of obedience...instead following our wanton desires.

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    Phat
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    Message 29 of 221 (427695)
    10-12-2007 12:30 PM
    Reply to: Message 27 by molbiogirl
    10-12-2007 12:22 PM


    Re: Anal sex
    molbiogirl writes:
    Let's just walk through the implications of your idea.
    Gay men are around 5% of the population.
    That means 5% of the (supposedly) straight fathers/uncles/what-have-you in this country raped children.
    Does that sound plausible to you?
    Phat writes:
    Yes. Go to any support group and hear the confessions pour forth. Abuse is at least 5% if not more of the population. We all have some skeletons from our past. Its not unusual.
    And what about our poor, bereft lesbians?
    No anal rape for them.
    What turned them to the dark side?
    Bad experiences with males and/or Fathers?
    I can accept that homosexual inclinations are not only caused by abuse. I would argue, however, that homosexual behavior is a choice irregardless of inclinations. IMB, God made some of us attracted to our own genders for much deeper reasons than mere sexplay.

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    Dr Jack
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    Message 30 of 221 (427697)
    10-12-2007 12:39 PM
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    10-12-2007 12:30 PM


    Re: Anal sex
    You realise that many heterosexual men enjoy having things put up their bottoms, right?

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