So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck)

Such as that acutely embarrassing moment when he put on a diving suit without realising that he was already wearing one, and all the other scuba divers laughed at him.

Not everyone likes the same things, Phat. Even normal things. If you really, really like bananas, and your wife can't stand them, is liking bananas abnormal? Perhaps this man had sexual tastes that, while shared by many other people, are not shared by his wife specifically. That doesn't make him abnormal, it makes him unfortunate. "Need" is very, very different from "like" Phat. Just becasue a certain act is stimulating doesn't mean that act is the only thing that will stimulate an individual. Common sense is another way of saying "I have absolutely no basis for this, and I'm completely pulling it out of my ass." In this case, you're also wrong in your generalizations (regardless of whether you're right or wrong about this particular man). That's good. That makes you ignorant, but not an asshole. You don't know what the bounds of normalcy are, but you say that this man's tastes push past them?

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

I think it's a reach to speak of "institutions" when referring to cross-cultural research that includes hunter-gatherers.Our enthnocentric view of "gender" and "sexuality" is limited, at best.Gendering History and Anthropology/Third Sex, Third Gender: Beyond Sexual Dimorphism in Culture and History.
Current Anthropology, Vol. 36, No. 4. (Aug. - Oct., 1995), pp. 709-711. There are societies that recognize 3 "genders": male, female, and "other" (gay men and women).This is evidence that a genetic predisposition toward same-sex relations is recognized by non-Western societies.

Yes, if you're saying that his "perverted desires" are necessarily caused by said baggage.Those of us you would call perverts and yet have no such past abuse take exception to it. You're basically saying "If you like anal, you're fucked up in the head, and your daddy must have raped you."That's pretty goddamned offensive, Phat.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

If his hands are tied behind his back, doesn't that imply an accomplice?

Black/white fallacy. The only two options are not "repress everything and force everyone to conform to what Phat considers normal" or "wanton, chaotic hedonism with no morality."Let people do what they want...as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. You can allow people to determine for themselves what they should or should not do, while stil retaining a moral framework.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

I thought about that too.But it's possible (tho elaborate) to hog tie yourself.Just loop the rope around your neck, bind your wrists in front of you, bind your ankles, then slip your wrists behind you.But it does smell of consensual play with a partner.

i meant institution in that marriage is an institution. also, what keeps hunter-gatherers from having institutions? also, the greeks were a bit more than hunter-gatherers and they had QUITE an institution. (is that your university, or are you just happy to see me?) i don't think i have an ethnocentric view of gender or sexuality. or rather, i don't have a view of gender, and i think sexuality is an individual behavior that occurs in isolation from labels and "orintations" and lifestyles. i am quite aware. i'm not disputing that there is probably a genetic predisposition to "homosexual" behavior. i am disputing that this predisposition is the only ruler of behavior. there seems to be a genetic predisposition to alcoholism (i'm not equating the two on a value-basis, i just can't think of anything warm and fuzzy right now. i thought this was a better option than breast cancer, but you could easily interchange the two or any other genetically predisposed thing.), but there are other potential factors and alcoholism may or may not occur to that individual. to discuss cancer, i'm sure there is a chance that an individual may have a genetic predisposition to a variety and get that variety for a completely different reason. but we don't know much about the causes of cancer, so that's really besides the point.

This is the first I heard of it:Jesus and Mo

generally, nobody looks good in a wetsuit.

As a matter of interest, were you trying to be funny here, Rahvin?You just reminded me of a visit (just out of curiousity, of course) to the notorious banana bar in Amsterdam many years ago.

Thanks for the info. I've often wondered what research scientists get up to in their spare time.

Honestly, no. Just trying to draw a more vanilla comparison for Phat.

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Its not normal to want to indulge in anal sex.

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LOLOL!!!!I suppose it isn't normal to want to engage in oral sex, either, right? Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Bad experiences with males and/or Fathers?

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If bad experiences with men make women lesbians, then how come all women who are raped or otherwise abused by men don't all become lesbians?Does this mean that men who are gay have bad experiences with females/their mothers?Really, Phat, you need to join the current century WRT sex and psychology. You simply don't know what you're talking about.