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Author | Topic: So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
some stats.
lit review of child sexual abuse from 1992-2001 about child sex abuse victims however, this site http://www.stopitnow.com/comquest.html#Q2 says
Statistics show that child sexual abuse occurs at an alarming rate. As many as one in three girls and one in seven boys will be sexually abused at some point in their childhood, according to most reliable studies of child sexual abuse in the United States. (Briere, J., Eliot, D.M. Prevalence and Psychological Sequence of Self-Reported Childhood Physical and Sexual Abuse in General Population . . : Child Abuse and Neglect, 2003, 27 10).) That means that in a class or concert of 100 people, as many as 20 to 30 of those in the room were sexually abused as children. if we trust the last source, i think it is quite safe to say that 5% of so called straight men have raped a child. *EDIT* THIS PART IS A SEPARATE THOUGHT */EDIT* the idea that homosexuality (and other "perversions") is caused by child sexual abuse is an old one and not necessarily debunked as far as i know. now. that's not to say that i believe it, or that ALL homosexuality is caused by it, but it is possible that there are a variety of causes (including inateness) which may be culture-specific. namely, maybe only in the west does abuse and rape contribute to homosexuality. the idea behind this may be that boys who are raped by a man close to them may learn that the only way to receive love from men is sexual. and women who are raped may learn to distrust men. this reaction would of course be related to the ways we treat sex according to gender. it's a very interesting question. but, we know that promiscuity can be related to abuse, so why not other varieties of sexual activity? of course, it must be open to working both ways. maybe someone who was born gay might "turn straight" because he was abused as a child. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Yes, but if we lived in a society where everyones personal business was up to them alone, we would be unable to determine any moral guidelines for our kids to follow...telling them that their conscience should be their guide. We'd live in a society where you don't persecute people for doing things that they enjoy and harm no-one else. What an terrible thing that would be.
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Zigler Junior Member (Idle past 6043 days) Posts: 6 From: Pasadena, CA Joined: |
We'd live in a society where you don't persecute people for doing things that they enjoy and harm no-one else. Of course, but then we'd live in a society where everyone was secure with their own sexuality. Edited by Zigler, : No reason given.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I would argue, however, that homosexual behavior is a choice irregardless of inclinations. When did you choose to be straight? There are a plethora of studies that show there are genetics factors and epigenetic factors that determine one's sexuality. Not to mention the intrauterine factors that occur during fetal development. Bottom (hah!) line: sexuality is not a choice.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
if we trust the last source, i think it is quite safe to say that 5% of so called straight men have raped a child. 1 in 7 is hardly 5%. It's 14%. Are you suggesting that less than half of the boys that have been raped "choose" to be gay?
namely, maybe only in the west does abuse and rape contribute to homosexuality. Anthopological studies have shown that the rate of homosexuality is nearly constant cross-culturally. Are you suggesting that child-rape is constant cross-culturally? Re: data on child-rape. It is well documented that adult M/F rape is vastly underreported. What makes you think that child-rape stats are reliable?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Regarding the stats, I don't know. What I do know is that all of my gay friends have assured me many times that they had never been raped when they were little. I trust them.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
When did you choose to be straight?
i'm not straight. i chose to date my fiance. i chose to date the man i dated before him. i chose to fool around with various (not a large number) men and women throughout my time of experience. i don't trust people whose lifestyle and behavior are based solely on people they tend to have in their beds. i didn't say it was a choice, and i did discuss innate sexuality, thanks. however, there are lots of psychological factors that may help determine our various activities, including our sexualities. i frankly think we choose our sexual partners in isolation according to factors outside our control and "homosexuality" and "heterosexuality" are labels we define ourself with based on our choices (which aren't so much choices, really). who we are and what we do in EVERYTHING ELSE can be affected by our life experiences. i'm simply suggesting that it's not entirely insane to think that sexual behavior might, in part, be affected by experiences as well. but to suggest that homosexuality only occurs as a result of child abuse is silly. bottom line: there's a difference between environmental influences on behavior and choices. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Brenna, that was a reply to Phat.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
1 in 7 is hardly 5%. It's 14%. yes. but 5% is less than 14% and obviously included.
Are you suggesting that less than half of the boys that have been raped "choose" to be gay? i never said chose. you did. i've been here for years and have never said chose. i'm suggesting that being raped affects your personality and potentially your behavior. but that particular point was intended to say that it is more than reasonable to think that 5% of supposedly straight men are rapists.
Anthopological studies have shown that the rate of homosexuality is nearly constant cross-culturally. just because the rate is the same doesn't necessarily mean that the causes are the same.
Are you suggesting that child-rape is constant cross-culturally? i don't have that data.
It is well documented that adult M/F rape is vastly underreported. i agree.
What makes you think that child-rape stats are reliable?
i didn't. i simply found some. they don't even seem to agree with each other. *i* would assume that they are underreported as well. thus, the numbers here are safely a minimum.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
I trust them. i do as well. i was discussing a theory that others have held and the possibility that environmental factors *might* have an effect on various kinds of behavior. we *know* that sexual abuse can cause promiscuity. wanting to get laid can also cause promiscuity. the presence of the one does not nulify the other. one source of non-strictly-heterosxual behavior is likely innate desire. another source may be factors that affect the ability to trust and be close to certain people.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
lol oops. but still.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
just because the rate is the same doesn't necessarily mean that the causes are the same. Brenna, the fact that the rates are cross-culturally similar suggests a genetic cause. Otherwise you are stuck with, "Well, lots of different cultural factors play into sexuality but they all tend to cause a 10% homosexuality rate."
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i think you may have a similar problem with underreporting. also, what about people who are primarily "straight" but have had partners of the same sex? what about instilled institutions of such bahaviors? how about people who consistently date members of one sex but settle down with a member of the other sex (whether it's the same as theirs or not)? how about bisexuality? do you include these in your numbers?
attraction may well be genetic. behavior may not neccessarily be.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Personally, Im guessing that the Reverend had some unresolved issues in his past and was using the time that his wife was away to "play" and act out what must have been a traumatic experience of his youth. Perhaps a nitpick, but without going into personal details, I will guarantee you that many (and possibly even most) people involved in alternative sexual lifestyles (yes, including people who strap dildos to their faces) are not, in fact, doing to due to any sort of past traumatic experience. Just becasue someone enjoys something sexually that you may not enjoy or even understand doesn't mean they necessarily have some sort of deep seated mental issues. The only assumption that would be reasonable in this case would be that, whatever his actual sexual desires were, they were repressed by his outward conservative Christian appearance. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Its not normal to want to indulge in anal sex. Says you. You do realize that an incredibly large proportion of pornography (and Im speaking of straight porn here as that's all I have experience with), possibly even the majority, features anal sex?
The Reverend was probably raped as a youngster...probably by a man. Because he has sexual desires you dont personally share or understand? Not everyone is like you, Phat, and anyone who is different has not necessarily been abused in the past. hell, it's not even likely.
yet maintain that he was likely molested as a youth in order to even develop such weird fetishes. I personally know many, many individuals who have never been molested or abused in any way and yet have what you would call unusual sexual tastes. Some even weirder than the gentleman in question (though two wetsuits at once is certainly a bit odd). Your assertions do not flow from any evidence. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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