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simple  Inactive Member |
No, the HMS Starship Sceptre. (First Class) Otherwise known as Ezekiel's wheels, God's wheels, the mobile throne, or the Christmas star, or the star of Bethlehem.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
wht exactly are you agreeing with, here?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
her majesty's ship?
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4936 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
Simple you have to be the most astounding person i have ever seen(read?) I seriously doubt that you actually believe the utter trash that appears on the screen in front of me under you name, it is simply appalling. Im more inclined to believe youre just having a grand old time messing with all of us.
Fist of all that titanic post at post 13 was from this page, so at least give the credit to where its so sadly due when you post your illustrious comments. Its not even worth my time to respond to that whole block, but on a first time skim there were a few scientifically objectionable points.
Therefore, since the starship was a very local event there, it is reasonable to assume that the local records would be sure NOT to reflect that, except for the record of records, the bible! What? what makes the bible the record of records? Humans wrote the bible, buddy, as more or less generally accepted by the ENTIRE WORLD. That you believe otherwise matters not because theres absolutly NO BACKING behind it. Along with that, the general consensus on the dating of the bible is that Mark, being the earliest written book, was written around 70 BC, nowhere NEAR the birth of Christ. PEOPLE WROTE THE BIBLE. THE SAME PEOPLE WERE NOT THERE TO SEE THE STAR.
The entire book of Matt revolves around the life of Christ, not the Romans.This is news? One of the most important events was the birth of Christ. That was marked by a star in the sky, seen by shepherds, and wise men. Not Ceasar in the sky with diamonds. So important was this star, the starship of the Father, that your computer is set to it, and most calendars in the world!You are running on Sceptre Time, whether you knew it or not!!! That was where they tried to set the calendar to, as best they could. What ramos was saying, if you took the time out of your day to look up COMMENTARY, is that although the book of Matthew was written(at first glance) on the topic of the Nativity story, it was really meant to comment on the political situation of Rome. Just because something is named specifically in the book doesnt mean it cannot have a deeper meaning that is not apparant at first glance. Much like your star/flying saucer. The differance is his theory makes some sort of logical sense and yours makes none. On the same quote, the calendar we are based around is not based on jesus' birth. The year is, true, but the calendar is not. In fact, the Gregorian calendar which we currently use is from around the mid 1500's, and one of its main points was to move the calendar so it corresponded with Easter.
No need to prove the bible here, it is assumed true. You can assume what you like. What we are looking at is the bible Christmas star, and what it really was, not whether it really was.
Plenty more i could say from the rest of the contents of this particular post, but ill just examine this line.What on earth are you talking about? First of all you are INTERPERTING the bible, so it does not matter what the truth is when you create your own truth from it. As weve seen, even if Ramoss takes the bible to be true, you and he still came up with different conclusions to its contents when you interperted it. As for its actual Truth, its is NOT ASSUMED TRUE. If the bible was assumed true then there would be no purpose for EVC or debate(except on the interpertation), the bible would be our roadmap to absolutly everything. Do yo think that eveyone on EVC believes the bible to be true? Ive seen you on different threads, you cant even claim ignorance on this topic. Do you think everyone in the world beleives the bible to be true? Ill save you from making a dumb comment and just answer for you. NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN THE BIBLE.
I agree. The size wasn't, if I recall given in Ezekiel. Imagine one of these about 6 times the size of a football field! Heres a thought, brennakimi was being sarcastic/laughing at you/ridiculing you, not agreeing with you. Im inclined to think that she/he thinks your story as as much cock-and-bull as everyone else who reads your empty space. Why on earth does god need a ship!? he is, by definition, limitless and omnipotent! what use does a being that is (as defined by your accepted bible) everywhere and EVERYTHING need transportation? and why such conventional transportation? There is absolutly no rationale for this or anything youve written so far.
No, the HMS Starship Sceptre. (First Class) Otherwise known as Ezekiel's wheels, God's wheels, the mobile throne, or the Christmas star, or the star of Bethlehem. Hilarious. My favorite post so far. Do you even know what HMS stands for? How is it logical, possible, or make ANY sense that the vehicle of the creator of the universe has a title given to it by Her Majesty (i dont recall who presided circa 0 BC...), the Queen of ENGLAND( does not EXIST on 0 BC...). And of course, the ever popular "first class," which, in conjunction with the HMS tag, means a vessel of a high military rank. Too much Star Trek for you? All in all, my ribs hurt from laughing. Don think i dont take your ideas seriously(sarcasm), its just that i dont understand how on earth you arrived at them, nor do they make any logical sense, nor are they supported. Im sure books could be written about what i left out (why is god an alien, why noone thought it odd that a starship was on a barn, why you know sparingly to not all that much about the bible, ect) but im sure youll invoke the wrath of some logical, sensible member that will be ... amazed... by your theories. I hope to god that your proposed topic on "why there were no natural physical laws in the beggining" goes through. I cant wait. Edited by Damouse, : Making it more user friendly. Removed some flaming. This statement is false. Yeah so i lurk more than i post, thats why my posts are so low for two year's worth of membership. So sue me.
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Jon Inactive Member |
S'pose we can pretend that the word 'Genesis' is just a phony, too, eh? Since, it wasn't around when the Scriptures were written.
Spidy will come along and clear it all up; I hope Jon
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4631 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Damouse writes: I seriously doubt that you actually believe the utter trash that appears on the screen in front of me under you name, it is simply appalling. You should also note that he cannot keep his wild speculations consistent between threads. Heaven, according to Simple, used to be above the Earth, presumably within reach of tower enthusiasts that once lived in Babel. God had to step in and stop the construction to prevent these citizens from reaching Heaven. Jesus, after his death, moved Heaven to a safe location to prevent space shuttles from marring the scenery. Its difficult to piece it all together, but its clear (in Simple Speak) that Heaven was a real place above Babel.
Simple in Language and the Tower of Babel writes: Message 16but not applicable to the time of Babel, when there was a spiritual level nearby. Simple in Language and the Tower of Babel writes: Message 50Heaven is still there, but not the part of it that was a level over earth. Simple in Language and the Tower of Babel writes: Message 50Heaven, or where the spirits live is now, as I understand it, is New Jerusalem. Since Jesus built that, I would think that there was another abode before that was complete, that He ascended to. What does this have to do with the Christmas star (aka the HMS Starship Sceptre?) This spacecraft "6 times the size of a football field!" looked like a star. That must put that sucker pretty high up to begin to compare it to the pin pricks in the sky. How low was Heaven for the tower of Babel to attract Gods concern? How high was the spacecraft for it to look like a star? Why would God be riding in a spacecraft if Heaven itself was closer?
Damouse writes: Im more inclined to believe youre just having a grand old time messing with all of us. Or hes delusional. Edited by Vacate, : Credit to Damouse on last quote Edited by Vacate, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Vacate writes:
I'm just surprised other saner christians haven't stepped in to question his beliefs yet. Or hes delusional. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i tried, i gave up.
*rocks out* Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
quote: Not really. I knew that you didn't have the records you claimed.
quote: How would they ? And if the story had been around for more than 30 years how could they suppress it ?
quote: Probably traders and ambassadors and messengers from most of the nations in the region. And how do you hide a disaster of that magnitude without anybody noticing that something's up ?
quote: Like I said you've got no evidence that there was a star. You just have to assume it. Oh and pretend to have records that don't exist. End of thread. There's nothing worth discussing.
quote: Of course it wasn't a star because it wasn't anything. THere is no record because there was no star. That's why none of the other Biblical authors know about it.
quote: It's evidence that Matthew's story - including the star - is a fiction. If there wasn't a star then it wasn't a spaceship.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
simple writes: No, the HMS Starship Sceptre. I don't know what those other folks are complaining about, simple. I like your theory. It confirms what we've always known in our hearts here. God was British.
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simple  Inactive Member |
That's another story.
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simple  Inactive Member |
They may know enough of the bible to realize they better not dare. Besides, maybe a few would enjoy seeing you nice folks on the defensive for a change.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:I thought I gave the link. Must have forgot, why do you think sites like that are some secret??? Get a grip, man. This is basic stuff here. quote:Nonsense. What do you think Mark or others did, dream this stuff up?? No. The records were here, and the holy spirit quickened them to mind, as needed. No dreaming up stuff, like evos do involved. quote:Right, which is not worth responding to, it is so delusional, and out of touch. quote: There are deeper meanings to the bible, yes, but the story of Christmas is pretty straightforward. Part of that story is the light in the sky the ancients referred to as a star. I thought I gave an interesting prophesy about the king (Sceptre) looking down from afar up on Shiloh. That, plus the wheels of Ezeliel, that show God does have a mobile throne mean that we could place the Dad on the manger scene!
quote: Now, perhaps you can explain why AD is something else now, as you suggest. If you can, fine, but watch out, cause who was it that you think came to take His son to heaven!!??? Perhaps the star stayed out of sight that day. "Anno Domini (Latin: (In)The year of (Our) Lord[1]), abbreviated as AD or A.D., defines an epoch based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth."Anno Domini - Wikipedia quote:Not everyone understands it or believes it either. Not everyone believes in spirits, or God, or some form of spiritual, but most do. So??? quote: How would I know why He choses to have wheels??? I notice that His throne was on that starship, maybe that has something to do with it! Why lug around a big throne across the universe! Maybe the angels observed around the Sceptre need it to tag along with the Almighty, and He is a nice Guy? Why doubt for nothing? Remember, this baby is likely much much much much much much much much much much much older than our universe!
quote: I used it for His Majesty. Remember, He was here long before a monarch of England. But I feel that the Holy Spirit, is a woman, and She is God as well, so what the hec.
quote:The idea of this thread is the biblical star of Bethlehem, and what it was not, and what it likely was. If it were a star or cosmic event, some record would exist. Since it was not, according to that evidence we are left with it being what I say, or something else biblical, or the whole thing being a fabrication. I use the evidences, and bible to see what must have been, assuming God is real, and true.
quote:I have been looking at the facts for awhile now, so your euphoric hopes that you or others would have a good showing are very very very unlikely. I learn from my wins. What I mean by that, is if I just barely win a debate, I learn from that, so the next time, I really mop up the floor with em. For example, with Razd, even though I won by default, and he never showed up after the thing got closed down as I said it would, I learned something. Like reviewing a boxing match, I see where I allowed an approach, that I should have KOed more quickly. But that's another story.
quote:No problem, if all you got is what you posted here, I can see why you need to lurk most of the time. Relax.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:PART of heaven. Heaven is a big place. There was a spiritual level nearby before Babel. Angels used to marry women, yes. In the big event that changed the universe, the split, the spiritual was divided from the physical. Therefore, of course, there was no longer a spiritual level on earth, in the world of men.
quote:Good questions. Firstly, remember, as I said, we do not know by the bible how big this is. I grabbed a size I thought would be impressive. This has a wingspan of nearly a football field! If we put this, say, 40,000 feet up, how big would it look, at night? The space station is about an acre as we speak. That is 24% or so bigger than a football field. Many so called UFO sightings are bigger than this. Example "The incident began on Sunday, December 12, 2004, when Robert and Anne were enjoying the evening at about 7:10 PM. Soon, they saw a glowing light in the night sky. They first noticed the phenomena through their sliding door which led to the outside deck. Robert described the sight as "a huge ball of brilliant white light coming toward the house from the west." The size of the object was immense, according to the couple as big as several football fields, covering the landscape with glowing light. The couple was mesmerized with the glow, which did not hurt their eyes, although it was extremely bright."Humor & Whimsy But in the case of the Christmas star we have indirect evidence. It could not have been seen that far away, or there would be records. I would use 100 square miles as an example, as Moab, if I recall is not much further than that, well, that is a long story, let's just use 100 miles as the example. Perhaps we could use 14,500 feet as an elevation for the ship, to see it we could have the shepherds and wise men see it, but not, say, China, and other places. Mount Rainer is about the height, and can be seen for about 100 miles. We could tweak this if need be, but we need to start somewhere. About your question on Babel. They had to know that they could build a tower up to it,, so it could not have been too high up at all. The CN tower in Canada is 1,815 feet high or so. I would guess that the spiritual level at the time of Babel was no more than 2-3 thousand feet up.
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