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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim. So what? Please explain why you think a persons religion has ANYTHING to do with whether or not they should be President? Personally, I believe that Fundamentalist Christians are the greatest threat the world faces and would be terrified should another one become President. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Where in ths Qur'an does it forbid leaving the religion?
Even if Obama was a Muslim, why would that preclude his being President? If you consider religion as the issue, then should we not also ban all Christians from holding the office? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You still don't get it, after all of this time. I lead you guys in to the pit lined with punji sticks everytime. And every time you fall right in. You seem to think they are punji sticks but reality is they are but gummy worms.
With your world view, there are no objective moral values. So if I say something is wrong, and you say its right, it doesn't matter either way. What nonsense. There are objective moral values that we agree upon. If you say something we don't much care as long as what you say does not incite harm. But when you do something we check against the accepted moral values to see if what you did was within the bounds of those accepted limits. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Agreed upon morals are not objective moral values. If they were then all sorts of bigotry was objective. But they were objective. Maybe it is time for yet another thread on the subject since this really is not the topic. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Personally I really hope a Republican wins, preferably a nutjob like Hunter.
Frankly I think we have pretty much wasted all the economic slack in the system and there is a high probability we are heading into a major economic nightmare. Since it was the Republican economic policies that got us into this mess, particularly the criminal Reagan, it sure would be nice if one of the same folk were in power when the US tanks. If we can get a Republican elected this time and the country survive four more years of mismanagement, there is a great chance that the Republican party can be assigned to the trash heap of history. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is it offensive to point out that black people have a unique accent just like people from Australia have a unique accent? Ah. So a Harvard Educated Black man and High School dropout Black man and a Jamaican and a Brazilian and a Bantu and a Black man raised in Harlem and a Black man raised in Mississippi and a Black man raised in Los Angeles and a Black man raised in Kenyan and a Haitian and a Ugandan and a Black man educated at Oxford all share a unique accent? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In mixed lower class areas of cities, the kids sound a lot alike. In mixed upper class areas of cities, the kids sound a lot alike. Unless they are Valley Girls of course. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
While it really looks like the claim that Obama attended a Madrasah is just another right wing smear attack, even if it were true, what would be the problem?
Even if Obama was a Muslim, what would be the problem with that? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, assume for a second Buz is right and Islam does want to become the world's religion?
So what? Why is that a problem? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What would be the problem with a Muslim President?
Even if the goal of Islam is to become the one world religion, how is that a problem? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What would be the problem with a Muslim President?
Even if the goal of Islam is to become the one world religion, how is that a problem? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Your answer did not address the questions.
What would be wrong with a Muslim President?Even if the goal of Islam is to become the one world religion, how is that a problem? Other than your typical tactic of quotemining and taking things out of context, what is the problem? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A devout Muslim who lived by the Koran would tend to be beholden to undermine the nation of Israel and undermine the war on terror as advocated in the Koran. Sorry but ... bullshit Buz. There is no other term for it except Bullshit. Does Egypt have treaties with Israel? Does Jordan have treaties with Israel? Where does the Koran say to support terror? Why should we support Israel? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
These are from Message 211
Buz claims:
quote: In reality we find:
[2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. [2.192] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. [2.213] (All) people are a single nation; so Allah raised prophets as bearers of good news and as warners, and He revealed with them the Book with truth, that it might judge between people in that in which they differed; and none but the very people who were given it differed about it after clear arguments had come to them, revolting among themselves; so Allah has guided by His will those who believe to the truth about which they differed and Allah guides whom He pleases to the right path. [3.20] But if they dispute with you, say: I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and (so) every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people: Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants. [5.77] Say: O followers of the Book! be not unduly immoderate in your religion, and do not follow the low desires of people who went astray before and led many astray and went astray from the right path. [17.71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly. And as to Isreal, read The Children of Israel Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hitler, the originator of Nazism advocated the extermination of classified segments of the citizenry. According to the Koran, so does it's author, Mohammed, originator of Islam who by violence forced over 200 religions out of Mecca to allow only his Allah god religion. I'm sorry Buz but that is simply bullshit when you claim the Qu'ran advocates "the extermination of classified segments of the citizenry." Further, he did not force all other religions out of Mecca and in fact, was aided by Jewish and Christian allies in his conquest of Mecca. In addition, one of the major functions of Saladin was to protect Christian and Jewish places of worship in Palestine and to aid and protect pilgrims in their travels. So other than your continued strawman misrepresentation of Islam, what would be the problem with a Muslim President? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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