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Ihategod Member (Idle past 6059 days) Posts: 235 Joined: |
I've been watching some documentaries on UFO's and have become aware of the reality of UFO's. As for the aliens, I thought I would propose this to the intelligent folks at the EvC.
It seems that there is ample evidence for unmarked, unidentifiable aircraft. UFO Photos - UFO Evidence
vallee_phys_toc Hello! My Name Is 404 ‘ However, the evidence for alien life is based on some perhaps sketchy hearsay and evidence. My position is thus: There are many planets in many solar systems in Jesus' vast creation that house life in abundance and perhaps they are without the filth of sin. So, here's why I think this.In SCENES BEYOND THE GRAVE; VISIONS OF MARIETTA DAVIS an angel explains a view of the cosmos while on the way to the first heaven. "'Behold,' said she, 'the countless, planetary hosts. Mark the rolling orbs, suns, and systems of suns, moving in silence and harmony. The vast expanse is occupied and peopled with universes, constructed in infinite wisdom. These are inhabited by holy beings, happy and immortal, though varied in degree of development and refined spirituality.'" Also I think maybe when it says "Sons of God" in the bible this might refer to these other creatures.http://whatsaiththescripture.com/...bout.Marietta.Davis.html Tell me what you guys think, and propose other reading material that correlates or contradicts this theory. Is their life on other planets and if so what are the implications? Please no rude arrogant remarks. Edited by Admin, : Fix links.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is their life on other planets and if so what are the implications? Honestly, no one knows yet. However all the evidence seems to point to the things necessary for there to be life exist in abundance everywhere we look. In the only example we do have so far of life, this planet, everywhere we look we find life. But so far there is no evidence of either intelligent or technological life anywhere in the universe other than Earth. That does not mean it does not exist, only that so far there is no evidence that it does exist. Based on the one sample we do have, this earth again, the odds that something like humans exist, critters that posses a high level of technology, the probabilities seem to be almost zero. In the four plus billion years the earth has existed and out of the literally billions of different life forms that exist and have existed, only one has developed a high level of technology and even that, only in the very most recent few decades has been at a level where detection might be possible. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Before I say anything, I must explain something about myself. When I talk to people about trivial things, I tend to talk with the same attitude background as they do. For example, when I talk to jar, I will assume that the universe and the Earth are billions of years old. When I talk to a christian, I will assume that god created everything. When I talk to a christian creationist, I will assume that god created everything 6 thousand years ago.
With that said, the bible never really mentioned anything extraterrestrial other than angels and demons. If there are indeed UFO's or technologically advance alien races out there, we have to assume that they were not at the center of creation and that they are either angels or demons. Anything we can learn about them will have to be done through actual contact and communication. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Given the low level of proability that Aliens could travel this far merely to scare some Kansas farmer and examine him for reasons unknown, and assuming that 10% of reported alien encounters could be said to be credible, many fundamentalists believe that aliens are in reality demonic manifestations.
(Fewer believe that they could be Angelic manifestations. Now if only we can determine whether Angels and Demons exist!
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I would be pretty strange if somewhere out there in space at some point in the universes history there were no other intelligent beings, but the chances of them coinciding with us (in terms of being near in space and time) is much smaller.
You say that you have become aware of the reality of UFO: and you go on to speculate that they are with out sin. What inferences do you draw from this? Implications? Life on other planets would be a strong arguement for life being nothing special in that it can occur away from Earth. Earth becomes decentralised and 'one of many' locations of life. Also, having no non-earth life creation myth rather argues that if any creation myth was valid it would include non-earth life. As far as I can recall, the only creation myths that do this are the Sumerian and Scientology creation myths. It also seems to me that if there are aliens flitting around the less sophistocated areas of the world they either would or would not have a conception of a god. Now, if they had a conception of a god but it did not match your conception of a god, what effect would that have? Of course, if they turned up talking about Enki or Ea that would shake things up a bit. Edited by Larni, : Alternative endings, deleted scenes, commentary by director/producer, interactive menu.
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CK Member (Idle past 4157 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Let's face it - if you have the technology to get across the universe, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be bothered if a few low-intelligence apes saw you.
It would be like us hiding from ants.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hi Vashgun,
This is just a brief post to invite you to participate in a thread that deals with the implications of your stance on the ToE. I very much hope to see you here. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3957 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
if there is life on other planets, i'm sure the implications with someday include war. we'll have this brilliant idea that they're out to get us and we'll try to annihilate them. happens all the time here, why would it be different with other planets?
if one were to assume the judaic creation myth(s) true and consider the implications of these myths on other planets, i'd assume that god would be sonsistent in his creation and create decision making creatures capable of becoming falible. and, i'd imagine they'd end up in the same boat we are. and maybe they'll declare war on us first. the other possibility is that maybe they are without sin. if this is the case, we could introduce sin and death to them. or perhaps they are immune. the first would, i imagine, carry a great eternal toll.
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Ihategod Member (Idle past 6059 days) Posts: 235 Joined: |
The hypotheses are great keep 'em coming!
I noticed how no one has really entertained the idea of UFO's and read and experienced the links I have provided. This is classical evolutionary thought: If it sounds impossible, it is. Give no credence to that which is supernatural, etc. Please leave your religion at the door on this topic and focus on the implications of the parameters set forth.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Vashgun writes: Give no credence to that which is supernatural, etc. If UFOs are photographable, how can they be supernatural? “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Vashgun, I looked a the "best" flying saucer photographs from one of your links.
A number of them look like photos of things thrown into the air. Others are so blurry there is no way to tell what they are. Also, how do you know any or all of them aren't just PhotoShop images? Lastly, how do any of these images translate to the existence of life on other planets? That is intelligent, and far more technologically advanced than we are? And can more or less defy the principles of physics?
quote: Physician, heal thyself.
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Ihategod Member (Idle past 6059 days) Posts: 235 Joined: |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jUGnspymZto
Also, how do you know any or all of them aren't just PhotoShop images? Some of course have been around before the induction of the photoshop program.
Lastly, how do any of these images translate to the existence of life on other planets? That is intelligent, and far more technologically advanced than we are? And can more or less defy the principles of physics? If it is flying saucers, that can move extremely fast as is documented , then it would be logical to assume that those who can defy the laws of physics and gravity must be relatively intelligent. Check this out:404 Not Found
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Vashgun writes:
Let me be frank. The reason most of us do not persue the so-called UFO phenomenon is because it's a dead-end road to take, just like ID. Here is why, and I'll explain it in a couple sentences or so. I noticed how no one has really entertained the idea of UFO's and read and experienced the links I have provided. This is classical evolutionary thought: If it sounds impossible, it is. Give no credence to that which is supernatural, etc. So, let us assume that these flying saucers (aka UFO's) are indeed alien crafts and the fact that these aliens have not simply landed somewhere with a lot of people and say "I come in peace" or some other greetings should tell us that they are sufficiently advance enough to avoid detection by our current technology. Now what? Assuming that these are alien crafts (when I say alien, I mean extraterrestrial intelligence), how does it help us to advance our knowledge by assuming it without anything else to go on beside blurry images and incredible abduction and anal probing stories? The scientific approach to this phenomenon, like any other phenomenon, is to scrutinize it and see if it stands up against proper scrutiny.
Please leave your religion at the door on this topic and focus on the implications of the parameters set forth.
Ok, if you insist that we leave our "religion" at the door, perhaps you should do the same? How do you know these "beings" are angelic and perfect in nature? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Hello, Vashgun:
...have become aware of the reality of UFO's What reality is this? Before you can become 'aware of the reality' of something, that something must first be real. Now, speaking in the simplest sense of the word UFO”unidentified flying object”I suppose you could say that there are indeed things in the sky flying around that aren't often identifiable. But in the more specific meaning of UFO”alien visitor spacecraft hovering over Earth”, I highly doubt such things exist. We've all seen photos like yours before, so those certainly aren't going to convince us. No; you'll need images that are a little better than blobs on blue backgrounds that could just be scratches on the lens for all we can tell. You're also going to have to find more credible sources for your argument, since the majority of UFO sighters are sleep-deprived pilots and the severely uneducated. No evidence of alien spacecraft has yet stood up to the scrutiny required to allow us to scientifically declare them as real.
Is their life on other planets and if so what are the implications? I'm going to give you some quotes from my physics text book of last year (good thing I didn't sell it, yet), and hopefully it should help you understand the improbability of your argument:
quote: The author then goes on to analyse a series of these factors and concludes from them:
quote: Now, that is just a high estimate regarding the existence of extraterrestrial intelligent life. But why is it not likely to have visited our little rock? The author of my textbook gives the following reason:
quote: The author then discusses the available evidence”us”and decides that given the inability of our own species to fix problems that are bound to lead to our extinction, it's rather probable to believe that there is little, if any, life in our galaxy old enough for "interstellar travel," either having gone extinct long ago, or having arisen too recently to be much further advanced than us.5 For all of these reasons, I'd say that "the reality of UFO's" is anything but.
My position is thus: There are many planets in many solar systems in Jesus' vast creation that house life in abundance and perhaps they are without the filth of sin. Yep, we've established that there are many planets with life in abundance, but we were only able to show that life to be single-cellular, which would make me wonder if it's really possible to judge the sinfulness of a bacterium. And you really haven't presented any convincing evidence to the contrary”either showing intelligent life, or showing God to care about bacteria.
Also I think maybe when it says "Sons of God" in the bible this might refer to these other creatures. http://whatsaiththescripture.com/...bout.Marietta.Davis.html What evidence do you have that the Sons of God are anything other than the followers of God in general? The source you linked to doesn't support any such notion that they are specifically extraterrestrial life forms. Do you have any other evidence that would lead us to believe that the writers of the Bible were referring to extraterrestrials when they wrote "Sons of God"?
So, here's why I think this. In SCENES BEYOND THE GRAVE; VISIONS OF MARIETTA DAVIS an angel explains a view of the cosmos while on the way to the first heaven. "'Behold,' said she, 'the countless, planetary hosts. Mark the rolling orbs, suns, and systems of suns, moving in silence and harmony. The vast expanse is occupied and peopled with universes, constructed in infinite wisdom. These are inhabited by holy beings, happy and immortal, though varied in degree of development and refined spirituality.'" As for the reasons I've cited above, where are all these beings? Hell, if these creatures are immortal, then the short-lifetime hypothesis shouldn't have any meaning to their existence and they should've been here by now. Not just in the blips and dots that you talk of, but in an all out massive encounter. When the Europeans came across the Americas, they didn't keep showing up one ship at a time; they sent word back and their relatives came in massive numbers. Of all the useless rocks in the area, don't you think us and our planet would at least interest the aliens enough to come and investigate on a little bit larger of a scale? Now, I don't want to be seen as rude or arrogant, so instead of calling your idea all-out malarkey, I'll just say that it's seemingly improbable . Jon __________1 Art Hobson, Physics: Concepts and Connections 4th ed., 282. 2 Ibid., 281. 3 Ibid., 281. 4 Ibid., 287. 5 Ibid., 288. In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ En el mundo hay multitud de idiomas, y cada uno tiene su propio significado. - I Corintios 14:10_ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ A devout people with its back to the wall can be pushed deeper and deeper into hardening religious nativism, in the end even preferring national suicide to religious compromise. - Colin Wells Sailing from Byzantium
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