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Ihategod
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Message 1 of 147 (418186)
08-26-2007 9:32 PM


I've been watching some documentaries on UFO's and have become aware of the reality of UFO's. As for the aliens, I thought I would propose this to the intelligent folks at the EvC.
It seems that there is ample evidence for unmarked, unidentifiable aircraft.
UFO Photos - UFO Evidence
vallee_phys_toc
Hello! My Name Is 404 ‘
However, the evidence for alien life is based on some perhaps sketchy hearsay and evidence.
My position is thus: There are many planets in many solar systems in Jesus' vast creation that house life in abundance and perhaps they are without the filth of sin.
So, here's why I think this.
In SCENES BEYOND THE GRAVE; VISIONS OF MARIETTA DAVIS an angel explains a view of the cosmos while on the way to the first heaven.
"'Behold,' said she, 'the countless, planetary hosts. Mark the rolling orbs, suns, and systems of suns, moving in silence and harmony. The vast expanse is occupied and peopled with universes, constructed in infinite wisdom. These are inhabited by holy beings, happy and immortal, though varied in degree of development and refined spirituality.'"
Also I think maybe when it says "Sons of God" in the bible this might refer to these other creatures.
http://whatsaiththescripture.com/...bout.Marietta.Davis.html
Tell me what you guys think, and propose other reading material that correlates or contradicts this theory. Is their life on other planets and if so what are the implications?
Please no rude arrogant remarks.
Edited by Admin, : Fix links.

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Ihategod
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Message 10 of 147 (419307)
09-02-2007 1:34 AM


asdfk
The hypotheses are great keep 'em coming!
I noticed how no one has really entertained the idea of UFO's and read and experienced the links I have provided. This is classical evolutionary thought: If it sounds impossible, it is. Give no credence to that which is supernatural, etc.
Please leave your religion at the door on this topic and focus on the implications of the parameters set forth.

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Ihategod
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Message 13 of 147 (419625)
09-03-2007 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
09-02-2007 11:23 AM


http://youtube.com/watch?v=jUGnspymZto
Also, how do you know any or all of them aren't just PhotoShop images?
Some of course have been around before the induction of the photoshop program.
Lastly, how do any of these images translate to the existence of life on other planets? That is intelligent, and far more technologically advanced than we are? And can more or less defy the principles of physics?
If it is flying saucers, that can move extremely fast as is documented , then it would be logical to assume that those who can defy the laws of physics and gravity must be relatively intelligent.
Check this out:
404 Not Found

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Ihategod
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Message 17 of 147 (419759)
09-04-2007 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Jon
09-04-2007 1:19 AM


Re: Implausibility and Improbability
I highly doubt such things exist.
Well since you think so...
No evidence of alien spacecraft has yet stood up to the scrutiny required to allow us to scientifically declare them as real.
No one is going to call Jon, from the government, and give you all the details. It is a matter of national security. Look into the Roswell incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Air_Force_reports_on_the_Roswell_UFO_incident
Also check this out:
NASA Photographs of Possible UFOs
The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 10, Year-2007
The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 9, Year-2006
The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 8, Year-2005
I'm going to give you some quotes from my physics text book of last year (good thing I didn't sell it, yet), and hopefully it should help you understand the improbability of your argument:
You seem to think I care to hear opinions from folks you have probably never looked into the subject. Only speculated hypotheses from their world view humanistic ideology. Appealing to authority and popularity is a weak argument. My friend Tim says that aspartame is safe, his dad works for the FDA.
Yep, we've established that there are many planets with life in abundance, but we were only able to show that life to be single-cellular, which would make me wonder if it's really possible to judge the sinfulness of a bacterium. And you really haven't presented any convincing evidence to the contrary”either showing intelligent life, or showing God to care about bacteria.
Yep, you have established that your text book physics buddies like to think about aliens some times. The thing to note here is that you seem to believe they are some how right, because you seen them in uh textbook. They don't know squat about organisms on any planet and neither do you or I. I don't care how many PhD you have.
As for the reasons I've cited above, where are all these beings? Hell, if these creatures are immortal, then the short-lifetime hypothesis shouldn't have any meaning to their existence and they should've been here by now. Not just in the blips and dots that you talk of, but in an all out massive encounter. When the Europeans came across the Americas, they didn't keep showing up one ship at a time; they sent word back and their relatives came in massive numbers. Of all the useless rocks in the area, don't you think us and our planet would at least interest the aliens enough to come and investigate on a little bit larger of a scale?
Now, I don't want to be seen as rude or arrogant, so instead of calling your idea all-out malarkey, I'll just say that it's seemingly improbable .
I gave you links to photo's and movies, check them out. You seem to think alien life would think like you. Your arrogance is frightening and you are a hypocrite. In the view of Heaven given to and recited by Marietta Davis, for which the link referred, the reason these aliens don't acknowledge us is because they don't want to get the dirt (sin) on themselves. Chris Everard has a physical view and gives evidence of the United States shooting them down.
SecretSpaceDvd.com is for sale | HugeDomains
Edited by Vashgun, : No reason given.
Edited by Admin, : Shorten link.

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Ihategod
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Message 21 of 147 (419846)
09-05-2007 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by anglagard
09-04-2007 8:56 PM


Re: Roswell
Your opinion
So one guy who is mind controlled speaks out his hypothesis. So what?
Page not found | Skeptical Inquirer
Brainwashing - Wikipedia
this article in itself is suspect, by mention of false pretenses.
In this, I believe the burden is on you:
Presumption of innocence - Wikipedia
Intelligent life exists in the universe or multiverse.

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Ihategod
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Message 38 of 147 (420114)
09-06-2007 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
09-06-2007 9:10 AM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
Your a real gem Jar.
What you believe is really crazy, instead of trying to pick the speck out of someone else's eye you should concentrate on the plank in your own.
13 The Lord thundered from heaven;
the voice of the Most High resounded
amid the hail and burning coals.
14 He shot his arrows and scattered his enemies;
his lightning flashed, and they were greatly confused.
Can you not even see how this could further elone's argument? Are you really that dense? It makes sense to me, although I find the idea of God in a airship rather strange. Also lets look at the book of ezekiel.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/eze001.htm
here is a sample:
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
This could very well be describing a ship of some sort. I don't see why angels don't have rides. i could walk to the store but i'd rather drive.
paraphrased fromHERE
This is a good site to review. very interesting.
The Bible UFO Connection
Weaponry? Thunder, lightning, it is simply poetic.
ALL HAIL THE GREAT INTERPRETER
Edited by Highestevolvedwhiteguy, : No reason given.

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Ihategod
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Message 39 of 147 (420115)
09-06-2007 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by nator
09-05-2007 5:53 PM


Re: Roswell
I'll take your word for it, and I will no longer use it if it makes you happy.

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Ihategod
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Message 55 of 147 (420152)
09-06-2007 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Rob
09-06-2007 10:16 AM


Thank you
I love that historical story, it never gets old. Peace.

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Ihategod
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Message 58 of 147 (420158)
09-06-2007 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by ElOne
09-06-2007 12:33 PM


WHATCHOO TALKIN' BOUT' WILLIS?!
The Gospels speak of a human because at one time the Hebrews were asked if they wanted to be ruled by man or god; they responded "by man". Attempts were made to have a just ruler and king and all failed; including Solomon. That is the story behind the virgin birth. I have read the Bible, several versions and I research alot. Part of the unbelievability of the Bible is the limited language distinctions available when it was written. Look at the creation of Eve for instance, today we could say it appears she was cloned. I use Strong's Concordance to "reinterpret" Scripture in today's context. Similar to how Evolutionists have "reinterpreted" ToE into Punctuated Equilibria (PE). PE is indicative of Intelligent Design.
What part of the bible are you referencing? I haven't read the bible yet. Also, how would "limited language distinctions" make the bible unbelievable? And what are you talking about with the cloning and what does that have to do with this topic? You should research the word "topic" since you like to "research alot." Here is a start:
Topic Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

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Ihategod
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Message 94 of 147 (420681)
09-09-2007 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by molbiogirl
09-08-2007 2:58 PM


Re: Our Alien Overlords Are Here
And so the plot thickens...

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Ihategod
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Message 95 of 147 (420685)
09-09-2007 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Vacate
09-07-2007 10:24 AM


May if I may, perhaps, may interject....
But then in a sense aren't you saying that the true message of the bible changes along with the evolution of language?
Language is the vehicle for ideas. It is how we express ourselves from the surface to the very depth of our souls. There is no such thing as "evolution of language."
I agree with you in the idea that had there been a UFO in those times they would have ascribed it to miracles.
They probably would have described them using images and ideas that were and could be related. Back then, perhaps, the only thing flying was a bird.
However, if you are saying that this is in fact what the bible is saying - what else is incorrect? How much of the bible is open for UFO minded interpetation?
Putting in place UFO's where they could be interpreted would not invalidate the rest.
By opening this thread I attempted to discuss the ramifications of UFO's and aliens in a classical, modern, and unorthodox sense. This thread has been flooded with egoistic humanistic opinions that don't allow for the possibility, when it is apparent that the existence of said topics can not be known. Furthermore, by our limited understanding aliens and ufo's could very well be described in the bible. As far as I know nothing in the bible indicates anything is supernatural. This term was adopted by human thought.
I would like less posturing of skepticism and more philosophizing on the potential for life and how it relates to the bible. If you don't want to talk about it, leave.
P.S. Rob, your writing is wonderful. Your my second favourite hero.

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Ihategod
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Message 97 of 147 (420697)
09-09-2007 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by anglagard
09-09-2007 1:17 AM


Re: May if I may, perhaps, may interject....
And I guess no such thing as linguistics. So Old English = Middle English = Modern English in your UFO infested world.
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/linguistics
linguistics is the study of... not the variations within an allele over time in populations.
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
I could argue that language has gotten worse. The japanese language is far more profound in its simplicity demanding emphasis.
How postmodernist (sophist) of you, nothing can be known, therefore all attempts to make the world better by learning about it are futile. I think it's time to go back to the basics, and that means Socrates (via Plato).
Nice straw man. Set 'em up knock 'em down.
Sorry, if you don't want any critical analysis of your preponderances, you are in the wrong place, not us. Also, as it has been pointed out, not all positions are equal, otherwise Charles Manson's claim to be Jesus is equally valid as g=(m1)(m2)/r squared.
critical analysis is fine. Delivering your cynicism is off topic. Open up a thread entitled "My Opinion Not Relating To Aliens and the Bible."

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Ihategod
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Message 100 of 147 (420739)
09-09-2007 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by anglagard
09-09-2007 1:58 AM


Re: May if I may, perhaps, may interject....
So, if the Bible writes about extraterrestrials flying about in metal spaceships, why does the Christian religion have no historic tradition of worshiping space aliens? Did they lose interest after the Old Testament?
I'd like to show the fallacy of your question and your not the only one that has a problem grasping this. When you imagine a flying saucer, you use imagery that you think would best describe how you can express the idea. In the Toe, the implications are that we humans are the highest evolved. Be that as it isn't, this does not indicate that there aren't other things, people, or gods out there or right here. We have five senses and a critical mind. We are three dimensional, and some would suggest up to five. Other beings could be well beyond this. Your thinking as if there is no way alien life could be better than ours. If the Old testament writers saw another manifestation of God or God's messengers or God's created then they would also be limited in their descriptions. If I saw an angel I could only use my knowledge and experience to describe it to you.
What people today call aliens could be like what ezekiel saw and what ezekiel and people today see could actually be agents of God, God's created, or angels, or even demons. There is nothing in saying aliens, that contradicts the bible, it is only our limited nature that fails to grasp the concept.
Also, not to toot my own horn, but I am a writer and have studied writing extensively and I disagree with your assessment of linguistics. It variates but does not get any better.

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Ihategod
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Message 103 of 147 (420781)
09-09-2007 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by anglagard
09-09-2007 2:07 PM


Re: May if I may, perhaps, may interject....
You are really annoying.
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
Evolution does not mean 'moving toward better' it means 'change in response to environmental factors.'
Supplementing a definition for your argument is weak and pathetic. How does evolution infer that things progress yet get worse? That's oxymoronic.
there is no way that anyone else can distinguish your 'flights of fancy' from the ravings of an inmate at a lunatic asylum.
Under what standard are you calling upon to judge anybody? How do you know that people who experience paranormal activity are lunatics? I think your uber-skepticism is lunacy.

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Ihategod
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Message 107 of 147 (420812)
09-09-2007 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by anglagard
09-09-2007 3:29 PM


Re: Skeptic? You Bet!
quote:3: the process of working out or developing
This definition is one that may be applicable to linguistics. Thanks for the unexpected support of my position in this matter.
When you originally used evolution, you meant the progression of the language. Which was what I called into question, you found a small out,
congratulations.
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/develop
Evolution means literally to progress. I would like to know how something can evolve yet digress?
I said that without any supporting evidence how can one honestly tell the difference.
So we should not believe anybody that doesn't have supporting evidence? This would be a sad existence devoid of trusting relationships.
My mother claims to have ESP and gets messages from aliens. Based upon this, she has been diagnosed as having dementia. She is confined to a rest home to keep her from wandering off and getting run over by a truck. Therefore the diagnosis is for her own physical safety.
The story sets up another straw man, in that you seem to be indicating that all people who see things are labeled lunatics for health reasons. However, most people who claim supernatural experiences (not just alien encounters) are not a liability to a certain community.
If someone else claims to have ESP and gets messages from aliens, what condition am I supposed to compare this to based upon my personal experience?
Yes, because like the God you try to be you know everything. Nothing comes to the truth except through anglagard.
Not all claims concerning the nature of reality are equally valid according to human experience and history. Agree or disagree?
I agree and disagree because I think I know what your implying. It's like the argument that a person needs to be validated by a certain university to be able to do science. And a person needs to have a certain IQ and reasoning ability to be able to have any actual experience and that experience needs to be validated to be considered. Is this what you are implying?

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