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nator
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Message 8 of 147 (418588)
08-29-2007 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ihategod
08-26-2007 9:32 PM


Hi Vashgun,
This is just a brief post to invite you to participate in a thread that deals with the implications of your stance on the ToE.
I very much hope to see you here.
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nator
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Message 12 of 147 (419354)
09-02-2007 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ihategod
08-26-2007 9:32 PM


Vashgun, I looked a the "best" flying saucer photographs from one of your links.
A number of them look like photos of things thrown into the air. Others are so blurry there is no way to tell what they are.
Also, how do you know any or all of them aren't just PhotoShop images?
Lastly, how do any of these images translate to the existence of life on other planets? That is intelligent, and far more technologically advanced than we are? And can more or less defy the principles of physics?
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Please no rude arrogant remarks.
Physician, heal thyself.

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nator
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Message 16 of 147 (419684)
09-04-2007 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Ihategod
09-03-2007 9:21 PM


What was that link to the YouTube video supposed to show? That it is pretty easy to make a good-looking fake?
Have a looksee at the comments underneath the video.
It is a commercial for the SciFi channel.
Here are some e-mail exchanges with the actress in the video where she explains that it is all CGI.
http://www.rense.com/general41/scihoax.htm
All of this took me about 5 minutes on google to find.
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Some of course have been around before the induction of the photoshop program.
Yes, and that video is not one of them.
There was also airbrushing before photoshop, and double exposures, and wires. You could do a lot to create such special effects in a photograph if you knew what you were doing.
Like I said, a number of the "best" photos from that website look like pictures of stuff thrown into the air.
Another thing you will also notice is how often the objects seem to be stuck onto the sides of buildings, or hanging off of a roof or tree. It is easy to use fishing line or even fine metal wire because it becomes invisible from even a short distance.
The truth is, it is trivial to fake many such photos, even without Photoshop.
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If it is flying saucers, that can move extremely fast as is documented ,
No such thing has been documented.
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then it would be logical to assume that those who can defy the laws of physics and gravity must be relatively intelligent.
Not really. It could be that they are born with such magical abilities. Like a toddler that, in his or her first steps, crushes several dozen ants unintentionally, they could be quite oblivious to their own power and not intelligent at all.
You are making unwarranted conclusions because you are starting with far too many "ifs" which are completely unsupported.

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Message 18 of 147 (419801)
09-04-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Ihategod
09-04-2007 4:31 PM


Re: Implausibility and Improbability
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I gave you links to photo's and movies, check them out.
Your YouTube video is a SciFi channel commercial.

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Message 23 of 147 (419964)
09-05-2007 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Ihategod
09-05-2007 1:54 AM


Re: Roswell
Vashgun, do you now understand that that YouTube video you posted was a commercial for the Scifi channel?

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nator
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Message 34 of 147 (420097)
09-06-2007 7:40 AM
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09-05-2007 6:53 PM


Re: Has anyone considered....
I have considered it, yes, but if it is a troll, it is a really good one.
There's a PTN in which he reveals himself to be a blatant racist.
Hmmmm, I am starting to lean your way, I think.

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Message 70 of 147 (420274)
09-07-2007 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Ihategod
09-06-2007 9:56 AM


Re: Roswell
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I'll take your word for it, and I will no longer use it if it makes you happy.
You shouldn't take my word for it.
You should investigate the video's origins yourself with a skeptical mindset insead of just believing it without checking it out, which is what you initially did.
I suggest to you that the vast, vast, VAST majority of photos of flying saucers et al are outright fakes.
If their origins cannot be verified, then you siimply cannot use them as positive evidence. They are simply some photo that could be a fake.
To prevent being made a fool of again, I suggest less credulity and more skepticism.

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Message 90 of 147 (420494)
09-08-2007 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Rob
09-07-2007 9:37 AM


Not that you haven't been told a zillion times before, rob, but most people who aren't already believers are unlikely to be affected by being preached at. In fact, it is incredibly irritating. It smacks of paternalistic arrogance, since it isn't as though we haven't heard the same thing from other people for most of our lives. What, do you think if we hear it from you, particularly, a hundred and fifty-seven times, it will eventually sink in?
When in a science forum as this one is, when one's opponent resorts to preaching, it pretty much signals that they have given up on rational discussion.
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nator
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Message 91 of 147 (420495)
09-08-2007 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Rob
09-07-2007 8:56 PM


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Because millions of others can see Him too. In fact, when I read the Bible, I see that people 6 thousand years ago saw Him and they can explain to me what it is I am seeing with language that captures Him.
So what? Millions more people don't "see Him".
Most people in the world are NOT Christians, did you know that?
But, numbers of believers isn't a valid reason to believe anything anyway. Lots of people used to believe that the Earth was the center of the Universe. That didn't mke that belief correct.
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It's not like I am the only one to become a fool. Maybe one of the last... but not the only one.
I am not sure that this is something to be proud of.
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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 132 of 147 (421463)
09-12-2007 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by ElOne
09-11-2007 12:06 PM


Re: the Mental Masturbation called Biblical Prophecy
quote:
Goats, though important, need to be killed to harvest their warmth.
You can milk goats.
Also, have you never heard of Angora, Mohair, and Cashmere fibers?
All come from goats.

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