(How do I quote? Cant seem to find it)
Yes, it does make the system unknown. Remember we talk about omniscient/omnipotent. The second you introduce the description into the system, the system is changed, and no more does your description accurately describe your current system. What differs is your description. Since the description is inside your system, it also affects it.
You say:
"Even in a computer program, you can add a manual to the program nowadays, and that manual can describe everything, including the manual."
Thats impossible. How could you possible describe something within itself? It cant be done. It is infinite recursion. You can describe A manual, but never THE manual within itself.
One way to connect Gdel with omnipotent is through God's mind. Can any beeing perfectly understand itself with its own thought-process?
Using Gdel it can't. Since Gdel proved that to be able to prove every conceivable statement within a logical system, you must go outside that system. When you go outside that system, you are inside a larger system, in which you cannot prove every conceivable statement. And so it goes on. Forever.
It has been taken to imply that you cant ever entirely understand yourself, since your mind beeing a closed system, like any other closed system, can only be sure of what it knows about itself by relying on what it knows about itself.
If a God cannot know himself completly, he is not omni-... in any way.
[This message has been edited by TechnoCore, 05-27-2003]