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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Atheists explore the Territory without a Map. Empty assertion ?Many atheist were first and foremost theist. He doesn't give out Maps
Quite the contrary it is God that gave the maps to men many years ago.So yes God GAVE out maps. And If I follow you thoughs on this, God also gave us a map we call Greek mythology. Is greek mythology a map ? If not why ? And if all maps aren't equal WHO is to judge wich maps is THE CLOSEST to the truth ? It is a very liberal belief, and Im all for it. But I do not believe it. There is nothing that would compell me to believe that God talked to people and couldn't get the message through. Mulsims christians buddhists scientologists.... there is no reason to believe that God was so incompetant as to get his message to be distorted like that.
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Jar I'll I wouldgladly explore with you in deepth the basis of your belief, on another topic perhaps (Because although your way of thiking is extremly refreshing, I still think your picking what you would like to believe.)
I don't know. I am quite sure that you do not have to be Born Again or any such nonsense since GOD speaks to Jews and Christians and Hindus and Muslims and Wiccans and Taoists and Satanists and Buddhists. If we accept that God does speak to people :- God would tell some muslim to kill heathens - God would tell some christian to be hateful toward gay people - God would tell Goerge W.Bush to attack Iraq Unless we only accept a preconcieved idea of what exactly would God say. How do you tell if someone really heard God's voice or not ?Is it based on what the message is ? Is it based on the person background ? As I pointed out in Re: Just answers? Or Questions? (Message 21), it could just be a hearing problem. It could be selective hearing. It could be that background noise drowns Her out. So to hear God there is some things to fulfill some special abilities or conviction you must have ? Why would I have some background noise while you don't (or someone who speak with god doesn't) Hence my questionAre thoses people special
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
No. The Maps are all man-made. Some mapmakers claim that God "guided their hand". Does God speak to people today ?Does he has conversation with some people like some claims ? Most knowledge of our world (physical) that is described in thoses maps(pick wich one you like), have been scientifically refuted. So why would you trust that these map might be correct on the spiritual level ? Is there any indication that these map may be correct ? Is there any indication that christianity or islam is even a map ? .... Most importantly, if you believe the spiritual side of thoses maps.Why doesn God keep on playing with us. God gives no factual evidence of its existance, yet to his believers he gives all the evidence they need. Why ?
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Alright Jar.
All you seem to be saying is nobody can know. YES I agree with it! But what do you do when people CLAIM that God spoke to them. And BASED on thoses claims act accordingly ? God spoke to Al'QaidaGod spoke to Bush God is creating a situation that promotes war and hate. I do not believe God spoke to any of thoses parties, I do not believe that it is God that speaks to you, because there is no way you can prove (not even to yourself) that it is God. Okay well cased close for you Jar, all that you know is you don't know nothing (same as me) Now for the people who claim that God spoke to them, and are CERTAIN of the validity of the message and from who it is (God) Why can't you prove it to me ? Or why doesn't God speaks to me ? ps : I've heard Jar (and ringo's ?) Answer to my questions.I'm the problem, I do not listen properly or my current condition makes me unnable to hear him. Alright anyone else have any other suggestion as to why me and billions of people cannot hear God (only a select few seems to have that provilege, hence why I want to know if you are special)
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Ringo
Does God speaks to you (clearly) ?If he does would you care to give some detail.. Is it a voice in your headA voice that comes from somewhere (not in your head) through an evenment through prayer Is there also visual etc Can you ask him any question ? You know where im going to
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
LOL. Not sure where you get that. You yourself said that you do not think GOD actually spoke to them. That's because I don't think God speak to any of us.I do not pick and choose No, I did not say that and in fact, you are simply once again supporting what I did say. I said I don't know why you cannot hear GOD talking to you. Let recapitulateIn Message 3 Why does God only speaks with believers ? Maybe only some people listen? In Message 20Possibly, like when I was a child, we have selective hearing, hearing only that which we wish to hear. In Message 21The fact that I just plain can't hear things is not my fault. The fact that you have not heard GOD may not be your fault either. In Message 67It could be selective hearing. It could be that background noise drowns Her out. So what you are saying is because of my current condition (outside of my control) I cannot hear God or fail to hear his message. So what you are saying is God is talking to me, im just not hearing.So God is repetedly failing to get the msg through. Or Im I again going to far with my extrapolation ?
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
But You tryed and gave me your #1 possible reason right ?
You said it might be because of background noise etc etc. If you speak with God could you ask him ?Maybe he'll answer you Maybe perhaps God can get the msg through you (to me)We never know
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Ringo,
That's why I want to make my statement clear.There are people who claim that God speaks to them, not through "normal" event but as voice in or outside their head, some with visual others with none. It is not simply a sense of awarness that someone might get looking at a beautiful winter scenery, it is a conversation in plain english (or whatever language the person speaks). zero interpretation is needed. God is saying A, B and C Of course we could speculate that every coincidence is actually God speaking to us We can speculate anything really.But why dooes God speaks to people in PLAIN english, why them and not me or you or [insert anyone that never spoke with God] ?
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
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Kader Member (Idle past 3756 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Second-hand reports? The ones in Message 18 could be exaggerating, lying, deluded.... We don't know. We can't treat hearsay as evidence. But if you believe God exist why don't you believe God can speak to people ? Although in case you didn't know, I do not believe that God spoke to them, I do not believe that God spoke to anyone in my lifetime. What you seem to believe is that God talk to us but not in plain english. Why the distinction ?
The ones in Message 8 are people that I "know" - and I don't recall them claiming that God speaks to them audibly in English. I think you're being too literal-minded. Well I do no know them, did Gasby misinterpreted ? Anyways, my examples are still there though, and many many more are available throughout internet for you to read. People claim that God speaks to them, in PLAIN english. So either all theses person are deluded, lie, or a schizophrenic, I can't say. BUt my position is nobody ever heard God, and everyone (just like todays) attribute whatever they want as being message from God. And also note that people from very different religions claim the same thing.
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