Is Hovind going to hell?

Should it read"Bearing false witness... except when your on medication", in which case he's a free man.Mark------------------
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Originally posted by redstang281:

Oh he defiantly cares if we follow them. Otherwise they would be called "10 recommendations" not "10 commandments"

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Accepting Jesus determines ultimately whether or not you go to heaven or hell.

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Once you accept Jesus you become in God's family. Any sin you do after that point is a family issue. The less sins you commit the greater the reward in heaven.

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You do realise you just contradicted yourself?The 10 commandments may as well be called the 10 recommendations if "Accepting Jesus determines ultimately whether or not you go to heaven or hell."Also, if I accept Jesus, but make a go of commiting sins as much as possible, at what point do I get NO reward in heaven, but still go there.Mark------------------
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Originally posted by redstang281:
I'd have to say you didn't really accept Jesus it you are determined to purposely commit every sin.

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That's not my interpretation, I can sin, & go to heaven.

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Originally posted by redstang281:

Originally posted by joz:
By your own logic God doesn’t give a fig if we follow them provided we believe in him, if he did then regardless of beliefs people who broke the rules would go to hell.....

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Red said:

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Oh he defiantly cares if we follow them. Otherwise they would be called "10 recommendations" not "10 commandments"

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Accepting Jesus determines ultimately whether or not you go to heaven or hell."

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So are the commandments just that, or recommendations, because they have no relevance as to whether I go to heaven. They're not very "commanding" if I go to heaven anyway.All I have to do is sin as much as I like, & accept Jesus. Whether you think I have accepted Jesus or not is subjective on your part. I may well accept him right at the end in the last breath of life I have. Get out of jail free.------------------
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Originally posted by joz:
Mark! I thought you had more class than Pascal!

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You do realise, Joz, that fun as hell is going to be, we are going to share it with Hovind,Gish , Morris, & most of the other liars, perhaps we should get our acts together.............Is the bourbon worth it? ...................The agony of choice!Mark------------------
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Or, "Would sinners please run to the shelters, the vapour canopy is collapsing, estimated time of impact 2 minutes" .........Of course , I would only do this to jump queue at the JD counter.....Anything else would be immoral!Mark------------------
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
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So are the commandments just that, or recommendations, because they have no relevance as to whether I go to heaven. They're not very "commanding" if I go to heaven anyway.

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Oh I see what you mean. If they are commandmends then what is the punishment for not obeying them sense you can still go to heaven? I would have to say the punishments for not obeying the commandments would be received in life.

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[/QUOTE]That assumes you get caught. If I stole 100, & never got caught, surely I would be at an advantage, not dissadvantage, for having broken a commandment?Mark------------------
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
[b] I suppose I should ask, what did he lie about?

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[/QUOTE]He said we were more closely related to a sunflower than a chimp, based on cytochrome c amino acid sequences, for one.Mark------------------
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Originally posted by redstang281:
I think God would catch ya.

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But you said the punishment for breaking the commandsments would be felt in life.

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Originally posted by redstang281:
I think the point he was trying to make was you can't judge relationships based on cytochrome c amino acid sequences.

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No, he said we were more closely related to a sunflower than a chimp. Whatever his point was, this is a LIE.Here are the amino acid sequences for sunflowers, humans, & chimps. http://home.mmcable.com/harlequin/evol/HovindLie.htmlSunflower:
asfaeapagd pttgakifkt kcaqchtvek gaghkqgpnl nglfgrqsgt tagysysaan
knmaviween tlydyllnpk kyipgtkmvf pglkkpqera dliaylktst aHuman:
mgdvekgkki fimkcsqcht vekggkhktg pnlhglfgrk tgqapgysyt aanknkgiiw
gedtlmeyle npkkyipgtk mifvgikkke eradliaylk katneCommon Chimpanzee:
mgdvekgkki fimkcsqcht vekggkhktg pnlhglfgrk tgqapgysyt aanknkgiiw
gedtlmeyle npkkyipgtk mifvgikkke eradliaylk katneMark------------------
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 02-11-2002]

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Originally posted by redstang281:
God see's what we do in life, there is not a place to hide a sin from him.

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Does that answer your question, or did i misunderstand?

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Come to think of it. The only thing I remember him saying in his video's was about dna or chromo count?

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Do you know what tape he address this on? I'll check it and find out for sure what he said. I checked the link on that website but it was a broken link.

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"Well, now, hold it. If you want to just pick one item and that's supposed to prove relationship, did you know that human Cytochrom [sic] C is closest to a sunflower? So really the sunflowers are our closest relative folks. It depends what you want to compare. If you want to compare the eyes, we are closest to an octopus. Not a chimpanzee. Pick something. What do you want to compare? Human blood specific gravity is closest to a rabbit or a pig. Human milk is closest to a donkey. It depends on what you want to compare. Pick something. If there were not some similarities between us and other animals we could only eat each other. So God designed all animals from the code so we could eat other plants and animals and digest them. Not proof for evolution. It's proof of a common Designer! "Is the only transcript I have, not sure what tape, or even if it is on a tape.Also, chimp eyes are closer to ours than an octopus, on an anotomical basis alone. Our retinas are "back to front", compared to an octopus eye. The optic nerve emerges from the "wrong" front side, it has to delve through the retina to get to the back of the eye. This point has no rods or cones, & is why we have a blind spot. Another lie. Thats at least two in one paragraph, way to go, Kent!Mark------------------
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Originally posted by schrafinator:
I get to spend eternity with a lot of queers?

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GREAT! They know how to have a good time.

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You will get to spend eternity with a lot of moaning, hairshirt-wearing, self-flaggelating, sexually-repressed Bores with low self-esteem.

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Hey Schraf, on the plus side you get to spend it with me, Joz, & good ol' Jack Daniels. On the negative side, the entire staff of AiG are gonna be there Mark------------------
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