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Author Topic:   Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness?
ikabod
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Message 108 of 302 (342255)
08-22-2006 4:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by docpotato
08-21-2006 12:15 PM


if PC is to be of any real value does it not need to be "apolitical correctness " of in fact correctness ....
PC has become a tool of the "hmm we need to appear libreal and equal opetuinity supporter" political bodies ...
how we use language and which words we speak are part of our cultrual make up .. it is pointless changing labels unless you change the mind set which first lead to the orginal naming .
...
does changing chairman to chairperson change the male female ratio of chairpoeple ??
does calling someone afroamerican change the way they are treated by racists ??
people who use racial / ethnic / gender or what ever hate names and terms need to keep using them so we can clearly see them for what they are ... and we can deal with them ...
papering over the reality with PC terms is no solution ...and this is the danger of PC it hides the truth

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ikabod
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Message 130 of 302 (342316)
08-22-2006 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by nator
08-22-2006 8:12 AM


The only reason "wop" and "kike" are not acceptable is because those horrible PC people pointed out that those are perjorative terms and are designed to demean.
no you are so wrong .... wop and kike ARE always use to isolate and demean .. the normal person would use the word man / woman or friend , mate , chum , pal ,neigbour , fellow human being ,
its the use of "wop" and the instilling of its comman usage in "your" culture that is wrong ...
is the average USA citizen happy to be called "spawn of the arch satan" if a culture so choses to label them ??

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ikabod
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Message 135 of 302 (342325)
08-22-2006 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by nator
08-22-2006 9:32 AM


so by you statment you are happy to perpetuate the missdeeds of the past , claiming comman usage as a cop out...
i have no idea what ethnic group and religious creed you belong to but im sure if we trawl through a few cultures we can find some demeaning terms to cover you .. and you will be happy if we thereafter refer to you by it ?????????
all such labels are wrong .. no matter thier age and origins , their purpose is clear .. to demean and isolate , to exclude ...
what reason could you have for using or wanting to use them ... and NO there are not a short hand discriptive of the person .. but of the user of the word ...

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ikabod
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Message 156 of 302 (342361)
08-22-2006 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by ringo
08-22-2006 10:07 AM


personally i have no wish to demean anyone ....
but for example..
german ..hmm as im english lets pick one from each world war .. Hun ,used in both meanings.. barbaric and beastial , a Adolf , no prizes for work this one out .. and a host of others and im sure anyone from a eruopean culture can add to the list
as for you being white .. well me to , so i will leave the names to others
the point is by demeaning and isolting others you get the same back from those you assault ..

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ikabod
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Message 159 of 302 (342365)
08-22-2006 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Heathen
08-22-2006 11:01 AM


No. but it is a far more respectful way to refer to members of society. or do you think it's ok to call black people 'coon' or 'nigger'?
no its not respectful it still isolates them ... they are members of the americans society , they are american why indicate their ancestrial origins
no it is not ok to use coon or nigger , or to use the name black ... WE are all people .
But it is very important to take disrespectful and insulting references out of society so our children do not grow up thinking it is ok.
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it is more important to teach children why some people use such terms and the wrongness of their actions , hiding a crime does not make it go away ..
the solution is to educate and intergrate so that the terms become redundent ... so that when you see a person you see a person not a " label" person ...PC deals with simptoms not cause
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ikabod
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Message 266 of 302 (342653)
08-23-2006 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Heathen
08-22-2006 2:06 PM


i completely agree people should be able to assert THEIR ethnic / ancestrial origins , and that pride in them . . .
it is when someone else uses a label to segregate them by their origins ....... and then uses terms design to demean , and then follows discrimination ......
why afrroamerican ... why black neither indicates a ethnic origin ...
american of "name of cultural group" of Namibian decent is much more equal if you are happy with american of irish decent ....
no one is pretending cultural difference dont exsist .. thats why i used the term american ....but what im saying is apon seeing a person do not label them , see them as a individual, let them bring forth any cultral/ethnic tag they want , you may be suprised at what some people consider as their orgins ..

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ikabod
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Message 268 of 302 (342656)
08-23-2006 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by ringo
08-22-2006 4:03 PM


wow you nhave a very centric world view ... so people can call you anything and it does not demean you ...IN WHOS EYES ... people who use the term "nigger" are demeaning those they use it against thats why they use it to call attention to and to announce a view about that person .
culturally the german people get demeaned by certain UK news papers every time england play germany at football ... labels from WW2 are dug up and the germans are protrayed in a very unflattering way .. german footyball officails are called strumbanfurhers .. nazis's ... lil hitlers .. players labeled humourless , that they "ARE ONLY OBEYING ORDERS " .. to the extent the german goverment has complained ...
YOU personally may not feel demeaned by such things but others do , and the whole cutural group is affected .. attitudes to german poeple is tainted by such labels ..
and btw im sure a french man could tell you a few demeaning terms for germans , as could a polish , russian et al .
If I call somebody a "n****r", there is nothing he can do to me that is even remotely similar.
hmm how about nazis ??? a hitler .. happy to have such names sprayed on your car ?? to have swastika's painted on you house ... of course not , and you have every right not to be labeled as such , just as the other person has a right not to be called "n****r"

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ikabod
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Message 270 of 302 (342660)
08-23-2006 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by ringo
08-22-2006 9:51 PM


Pick one:
My ancestors left Germany a hundred years ago.
I'm Jewish.
A and B.
I'm a closet Nazi.
ok
A date of departure is meaning less .... if you say you are of german ethic group .... who many generations of non german oringins are you the product of ?? how many generations can you line progress until ,it will not be able to claim german ancestry .. or will all be breeding with fellow germans
B by what measure are you a Jew ...do you claim a ancestrial link by blood .. do you claim by religious conviction / conversion ... how does the equate with your claim of german ancestry in terms of heiredity .
C as A and B plz not which are you culturally german of jewish or american
D no you are not , firstly the nazi party does not allow jews to join it .. fascist is the name of the politics of the nazi party .. you can claim to follow those doctrines ..but do be aware some countries still have anti fasciuim laws and you may find your self deported .... and what do you mean by a closet one ... little point in holding opinons if no one else knows .. would be like setting up a web forum and only let yourself have access .......

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ikabod
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Message 282 of 302 (342685)
08-23-2006 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by RAZD
08-23-2006 7:43 AM


Re: PC (heh) party
isnt "Progressive Conservative" a oxymoron ???

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ikabod
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Message 292 of 302 (342716)
08-23-2006 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by ringo
08-23-2006 10:07 AM


ok i guess you are able to shut out the rest of humanity and what picture it paints of you ,
and you are ok with being excluded from society by the action of others ,
im glad you have found a path that works for you .... but what you must realise is other people are affected differently ....not everyone can grow a thick shell like you , and some perfer the option of being able to join in and share in lifes experences ...
being isolated and demean by ones fellow citizens is not a nice place to be ,and when the reasons is ethnic it has no justification ... and we all know where it leads .

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