Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness?

Schraf the problem that I have with you is that you invent something accusatory to say out of whole cloth. There is no such "vibe" in anything but your imagination. I try not to take your bait which is always trawling the gutter level it seems, but I can't win; take it or don't take it you are going to accuse me of something out of your smallminded bag of offenses. I tried to avoid your dragging this subject down to wop and nigger and kike because it's absolutely irrelevant and I said nothing whatever to justify such a notion. I wasn't thinking of such terms when I said we all have names for foreigners, but of course you would think of them and try to stick them on me. I didn't "hastily back away" from anything true, I was trying to avoid getting trapped in your icky way of construing things. You are certainly demonstrating a perfect example of the PC mentality with your sly zeal to point the finger.

Typical misrepresentation of his motives. What he is doing is trying to REMOVE the thought police from classrooms.What he is doing is affirming the right of students to an education free from ALL political indoctrination in the classroom, both right and left, which right now is heavily, intimidatingly and unethically practiced by many supposed educators and is far and away predominantly leftist. He had no interest in pushing legislation until he found anti-egalitarian leftists resisting his eminently sensible plan to restore intellectual freedom to education. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I have no idea, but I also don't think I'd trust your objectivity. In any case, this doesn't change the fact that calling me "unbelievable" is rude.

Yes, I've seen on his site reports on offenses by rightist professors too. It's just a matter of simple objective fact that they are rare these days whereas leftists have a freeforall intimidating and ridiculing their students of a conservative persuasion.Weird idea that a mere student, a mere citizen, can be compared to the KGB. They are trying to OUT the KGB. I think you have things backwards. But then the left always does.

Well, we are trying to define this PC category which isn't easy but to call it leftist is certainly in the ballpark. It's a matter of recognizing the nature of particular ideas. They tend currently to be geared to smearing people as racist and the like. Being a libertarian is no guarantee that you hold or don't hold PC ideas.

Just your subjective impression is all the "evidence" amounts to. And again, it's irrelevant. Calling me "unbelievable" is rude in any case. And you are changing the subject.

I made no such moral equivalence, which is just a bizarre misrepresentation from you, out of your own mental set beyond my fathoming. I clearly distinguished all that leftist stuff from the legitimate civil rights movements. Those legitimate movements were just an excuse for the hate war that the left was calling its Revolution. It is you who want to justify the connection. I don't agree. Just stop accusing me of things I haven't said. Your entire post is a rude and false personal accusation.

Thank you for that concession but I don't get the idea you think you were wrong. I don't think any of that was implied. It's just something you projected on me."Abuse and oppression at the hands of the left?" I was simply trying to describe how it felt to be in that atmosphere, to characterize the effect of that mentality. Very little of a personal nature happened to me. I was trying to describe the scene, you know, like a reporter in the middle of a war. Except it was personal just to me in the privacy of my own mind because I had no intellectual perspective on any of it. It was like a nightmare I'd blundered into. And in case that can be misconstrued as some kind of total characterization of my life in those years, it's not, they were overall fun years of my life. I'm just trying to focus on the political scene. I absolutely totally vehemently disagree with you, that's all. My opinion is that there was no meaningful connection between the two, zip, nada, and I'd appreciate it if you would stop characterizing my legitimate opinion as an "unwillingness to acknowledge" what is merely your own opinion. I'm sure there were excessive police actions but that's all anybody heard about. The fact that they were dealing with criminal activity instead of a legitimate cause was never heard in the aggressive din of the propaganda. And the Berkeley police were KNOWN for their liberal evenhandedness and they too were trashed as pigs.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I guess we could recommend that students who are intimidated and graded down for their politically incorrect positions just leave school and let the universities become even more perfect leftist bastions.

Too much work to dig up evidence for a coffee house thread of something that is well known to anyone paying attention. But here are a couple of references with plenty of links to more:Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out - David HorowitzDangerous ProfessorsIt's even at the level of middle school. I encountered it in high school in the late 50s already. It's worse now.Check the archives. There's a ton of stuff.So how about you come up with an example or two of right wing violations in the classroom? They are much rarer. Good luck.

"Whining" = The PC Well Poisoning Term of Choice to describe anyone who disagrees with their opinions and objects to their tactics.I see. There's nothing wrong, nothing intimidating, about a teacher expressing their political beliefs to a bunch of young students of a variety of beliefs. Knocking the President is just fine in that context. Nothing wrong with that, nothing intimidating about that. Nothing that would warn a kid to keep his opinions to himself if he disagrees. Naaah.Fine, you had some right wing intimidation. I figure there's some of that out there.Horowitz has showcased hundreds of incidents. Which one or two did he get wrong?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Please quote him with a clear reference. His site is littered with answers to such false accusations. Expelling progressive thought. My my. Did you know that "progressive" was originally a euphemism dreamed up by American Communists to make their agendas palatable to Americans?I'll be generous and assume you really believe that slander rather than that you hold it in bad faith, and are therefore open to correction. He simply wants academic freedom for ALL points of view. FREEDOM, not enforced cramming of "progressive thought" down the throats of the next generation. Parity. Pluralism. All those good American things. Instead of the hegemony of the leftist guild. Um, the FACTS are, as opposed to your spin, that his academic freedom manifesto wants to END political discrimination in hiring and firing of professors, which now prevails. Far from affirmative action for conservatives, what is there now is political screening for leftists. POLITICAL, not academic. POLITICAL. Academic freedom means leaving politics out of the selection process altogether. Makes sense to me, but apparently it upsets liberals who like having the universities all to themselves, truly do not believe in academic freedom but only in indoctrinating the next generation in their own "progressive" ideas.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said original, but certainly they chose the term carefully and a lot of their stuff got accepted under it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The term "progressive" often covers for Communist and leftist organizations, though it may also be used innocently enough for other groups. Here are a few references for its leftist use.

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How many more decades will it take for the “progressives”(term to describe a political movement which began about 1905 -readily used by v.i.lenin and ilk) and we thought would die off with its hundreds of millions of victims) , now lead by former communist “Soros” (even his name is phony - trained, groomed, funded by the former imperial communists to talk like a capitalist - but walk like a commie)

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http://moonbatcentral.com/wordpress/?p=274

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Amid the numerous democrats calling for more cradle-to-grave social welfare programs, is a bunch that calls themselves the Congressional Progressive Caucus. This body, currently made up of 53 democrats and one independent ” in case you cannot figure out who the independent is, it is the self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont, Bernie Sanders ” has cleverly disguised its true intentions in its name.

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New web address for RenewAmerica

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A list of Communist organizations. Four have "Progressive" in their title:List of Communist Organizations Operating in US.Not the term "progressive" but just a general reference to political cover terms for Communist groups:

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September 27, 2005
A crowd of around 10,000 protesters gathered in San Francisco on Saturday, September 24, allegedly to express their displeasure with the war in Iraq. But it wasn't Iraq this rally was really about, but rather radical leftist and anarchist politics manifested by a hatred for America and Israel, and, of course, a chance to rail against the supposed evils of capitalism.

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This was fitting given the two main groups, International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop the War and End Racism) and United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ), that organized the event. For those in the know, those are front groups for communist/socialist organizations that promotethe totalitarian and terroristenemies of the United States.ANSWER in the past provided human shields to keep Saddam Hussein in power and has links to North Korea, Cuba, the PLO and its Ba’ath Party allies. The leaderof United for Peace and Justice, Leslie Cagan, is a longtime member of the Communist Party USA.

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Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out - David Horowitz

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It isn't made-up logic RAZD, it's been attested by many that the term was a conscious screen to prevent people from knowing the source of the agenda. I think I may first have run across it in Horowitz's bio but I don't remember for sure. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.